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    edinahib
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    Superb winner and yet another Galileo super horse. We have been spoiled in recent seasons with some great horses and this season we’ve got three.If aiden is correct and that there is more to come from him then that is a scary prospect for the opposition although to my limited view of the horse he looked fit. Hard to tell as he is so laid back. Interesting to see what the handicapper thinks.Id say on the form it’s kingman and Australia tops with taghrooda just behind.Irish champion next then who knows. Just enjoy him while we can as he will be off to stud next spring no doubt.

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    Avatar photoThe Young Fella
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    Hmm, I think the hype has gone way out of control with Australia. He’s an excellent horse no doubt, but he has been labelled as "great" for:

    – Beating Kingston Hill (not bred to be the strongest 1m 4f stayer) in the Derby

    – Winning a joke Irish Derby

    – Scrambling home from fellow three-year-old The Grey Gatsby when getting chunks of weight from solid, yet unspectacular older horses.

    In true Ballydoyle style, he’ll go on to win the Irish Champion Stakes before being beaten at long odds-on somewhere overseas with excuses "ground too fast/too soft" and "long season" already on standby. Then he’ll be packed off to stud for £100,000 a pop without being given the chance to show real greatness by giving weight and beatings to the next generation in races like the one he won today.

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    andyod
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    He must be one hell of a scrambler.

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    Avatar photoSirHarryLewis
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    I suppose we still might see him in the ARC. Looks a good one to me, a bit like Sea The Stars in that he might never have to show his maximum and while we gave that horse a pass in the greatness league due to his incredible season. I think one or two more runs for this horse wont embed him into the general sporting psyche.

    SHL

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    Avatar photoSTMsolutions
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    I was impressed. I sort of expected him to get beat, not being a great fan of JOB but couldnt really pick anything to beat him. I do hope and expect that he stays in training next year. He must go for the Arc this year, and win it, otherwise he is just good, but definitely not great.

    I was a bit puzzled regarding the connections until I read this article https://www.thoroughbredracing.com/articles/meet-mystery-part-owner-coolmores-dual-derby-winner-australia

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    edinahib
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    Little or no chance of Australia staying in training. Coolmore is a business and should Australia win his next 2/3 races he will be off to stud for a fee around £80-100,000. For all the success of the incredible Galileo coolmore haven’t a top class son of Galileo. at stud.with his form between 8to12f he looks to be the stallion coolmore were looking for.

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    andyod
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    STM must a horse win the Arc to be great?

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    Avatar photoSTMsolutions
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    Well, as far as I am concerned, its the Arc is the best middle distance race of the year, so for a middle distance horse to be classed as great, the Arc should be on his/her CV.

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    andyod
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    So you would pass over the most popular horse to race in the BI in recent times.Or you recognize that "He"is whatever….Incidentally I agree with you on the need to win the Arc but dare not challenge the RF readers.

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    Is it Probably ground dependant if he goes to the Arc or not?

    Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026

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    edinahib
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    Australia will is the most exciting stallion prospect for many a year and unlike kingman,taghrooda and even franked has shown he is top class at 8 to 12f. Watch the guineas again to see Australia would probably have won in a few more strides and as he was virtually racing on his own for the last three furlongs was very unlucky. Had he won the guineas he would have got more recognition than he has got. Hopefully the next 2/3 races will see him show how good he is. Have a hunch he will finish off in the breeders cup mile and then onto his life of luxury. You can never tell how horses will fare at stud but with his bloodline there is a good chance of him being a big success. Just enjoy him while he is racing.

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    Avatar photoThe Young Fella
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    I can’t imagine Australia going anywhere near the Breeders Cup Mile, Edina. Surely it would be the Turf or a greedy go at the Classic if he makes the trip to America.

    The BC Mile is one of the sharpest, tightest miles in the world against really nippy types. He’d have no pacemakers and be left embarrassed in my opinion. The QEII with Kingfisher and something like Cristoforo Colombo bombing along in a tag-team pacemaking effort would be a much better bet if he is to win a good G1 over a mile.

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    edinahib
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    The reason i think that it could be the bc mile is just reading between the lines from aob and coolmore.They are looking to promote their stallions with more speed while of course hoovering up all the big 12f races.Doubt he will go for the classic as that is seriously uncharted territory. Coolmore know the score on the bc classic as d of war ran such a great race last year but he was bred to run on dirt.Should he win the next two(irish and british champion stakes) it will be interesting to see where they will go or if he will be retired.He looks such a progressive horse i think he could be even better at four but he wont be racing by then of course.

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