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With Golden Horn missing the King George, he could now be aimed for this. Could this turn out to be the race of the season so far?
Golden Horn, Grey Gatsby, Free Eagle, Time Test, New Bay, et al. Certainly in for a treat if they all turn up
If they went a slow-ish pace like in the Eclipse and GH got in another dual with TGG a fair way out then I can envisage Time Test cantering all over him however as GH started hitting full pelt what would Time Test find off the bridle?
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If they went a slow-ish pace like in the Eclipse and GH got in another dual with TGG a fair way out then I can envisage Time Test cantering all over him however as GH started hitting full pelt what would Time Test find off the bridle?
I think Golden Horn will destroy Time Test. Multiple Group 1 winner versus a Group 3 winner?
Much is being made of the speed figure put up by Time Test at Ascot but I would rather trust the bare form and Time Test just didn’t beat Group 1 horses last time. Wouldn’t Golden Horn have put Peacock and Mustadeem in their place with consummate ease?
Timeform have Time Test right up there with Golden Horn but the official ratings have him with a stone to find on the Derby winner, whom John Gosden has said is in better form now than when winning the Eclipse.
Free Eagle isn’t in the early betting but Time Test is there at 4/1, which if the Timeform rating is to be believed, must be considered value compared to the red hot favourite Golden Horn on 1/2.
I don’t trust the stopwatch, maybe I’ll be completely wrong but all my instincts tell me Golden Horn will win this and that The Grey Gatsby at 8/1 is the better bet to follow him home again than the promising, but still with enough to prove, Time Test.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I wouldn’t back that forecast personally as if TGG goes with GH again like in the Eclipse and gets into another battle with him then he will be vulnerable to losing a place to something finishing late and this field looks likely to be a stronger one than the Eclipse.
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I wouldn’t back that forecast personally as if TGG goes with GH again like in the Eclipse and gets into another battle with him then he will be vulnerable to losing a place to something finishing late and this field looks likely to be a stronger one than the Eclipse.
Who’s likely to be second then Nathan?
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Time Test for me although the going could play it’s part.
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Not sure as to what Dermot Weld is teeing up for Free Eagle as he said after the POW he will aim him at 12f contests. Free Eagle vs Golden Horn though, please racing gods, make this happen.
Am I right in thinking the Juddmonte is currently the highest rated race in the world?
Time Test for me although the going could play it’s part.
Time Test has plenty to prove for me though.
It said quite a lot that he came into the Tercentenary field as the favourite after winning a handicap the time before. He was an improver from the right kind of yard but the fact was that it wasn’t a very good race. Yes, he was an easy winner, yes he clocked a fast time but Peacock, who was second is a Listed winner and I honestly don’t think he’s much better than perhaps a weak Group 3 horse at best.
Peacock’s listed win has panned out terribly and early indicators suggest that the Tercentenary wasn’t great either. I would far rather trust a horse who has been mixing it with Queen Anne and Derby winners and who is a Group 1 winner himself, than take a horse at half the odds, who is a group 3 winner and has been beating horses like Peacock and Dissolution (rated 90 and well beaten in two handicaps since)
I recall recent excitement about Cape Peron and how far he might climb the ranks, but he was beaten in two handicaps and until they do it I would rather go against them when they are priced as if they are guaranteed to bridge the class gap, rather than having the potential to do so.
4/1 Time Test, 8/1 The Grey Gatsby makes no sense to me anyway.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Golden Horn improved from beating Peacock why cant Time Test do the same? He has still only ran a handful of times so has bags of potential and you can only beat what is in-front of you and I called the Tercentenary a poor race before it even started but the manner of Time Test’s win and the confidence shown by Ryan Moore at Newbury the time before when he was way back with only a few furlongs to go and Moore was still sitting out the back and knew he had a horse under him even with that being his first outing of the season indicates this horse is of a decent calibre.
IMO if Time Test ran in the Eclipse he would of still been swinging on the bridle with TGG and GH locked together if that sort of scenario happens again and TGG takes on GH too early too soon then he will cut his throat sooner and be beaten sooner as there are only so many battles you will want to have with a horse like GH and this will leave the door open for Time Test regardless if he is better than TGG or not.Charles Darwin to conquer the World
Fingers crossed that everbody actually turns up for this race and we get good racing ground that does not disadvantage anyone.
For me Time Test is the conundrum of the race, on his bare form, the Ascot race is way below what it takes to win an average Juddmonte (and this is potentially light years away from being that) but he is still unexposed and open to an amount of improvement. Could he be another Halling (who made the big jump from handicaps to G1’s in the mid 90’s) in disguise?
It will also be interesting to see who will get the ride, as Dettori & Moore were the last two on board.
There are enough horses in the betting to make each-way a viable option and it is hard to get away from The Grey Gatsby for me at 9/1.
He obviously has it to do with Golden Horn but doesn’t every other horse in the race?
A tad unfortunate at Ascot, he gave the favourite a wee fright in the Eclipse and his York form figures read 1212 in four starts.
Looking at the opposition, I doubt if Gleneagles will show up and Time Test has been absent for long enough, as well as having to prove that his form holds up as highly as the speed figure he posted in the Ascot race that hasn’t worked out very well. New Bay had a setback and again his reputation seems to sit on a fast time clocked in the French Derby. I am holding fire on the bold opinion expressed by one stopwatch expert that he is a potential Frankel based on the clock.
Free Eagle is another horse I would have expected to have seen again and this lightly raced horse has always concerned me as to how much racing he will take. He is open to further improvement on fitness and with experience but The Grey Gatsby looks more likely to turn up and seems the better call for now.
Intillaq got his career back on track but it remains to be seen how strong the form of beating Consort actually is. Latharnach did little for the form this past week as an expensive failure when warm favourite due to finishing behind Gleneagles the time before.
Looking down the list there are loads of unlikely runners, horses with something to prove and/or probably need a mile and a half to be at their best.
If Golden Horn were out, I would have The Grey Gatsby a narrow favourite here and apart from a few disappointments, some of which were excusable he has generally run well with eleven times either first or second from fifteen starts.
The hope is that about five run on the day and to be sitting with a bet that reads 9/1 1-2-3 fifth the odds a place, and something akin to a free bet against the favourite.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
very impressed with Time Test in Tercentary,but no way could i back him at the current odds in what looks to be a really good renewal of the international
Golden Horn wont be around next year whilst Time Test will be and very likely considering he was a backward two year maturity wise and not run a lot as a three year that he will be a better 4 y/o so this race will show us just where he stands and will be a good indicator of how far he can go.
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Poor planning on my part means Im away for the Ebor festival – I’m very tempted to take the 9/1 e/w offered on TGG.
I’d imagine the ground will be good or better though with GH taking this easily.What if it came up soft? – Id imagine GH would not run. No real strong evidence that TGG goes on soft even though hes from Mastercraftsman
Being 10F, I think GH will run even if it was soft ground – personally I don’t see it being any slower than good to soft, but it would make things even more interesting to see who copes with the change in conditions the best, my guess would be that it would fall in favour of Free Eagle (assuming he is declared to run).
Gleaneagles a possibility to run now.
That will put the cat amongst the pigeons.Charles Darwin to conquer the World
This is looking interesting, I hope Gleneagles does get his ground. You would think it would be one of the more likely meetings for a firm ground horse to aim for, considering that Kingston Hill was a last-minute withdrawal from the Voltigeur last year precisely because the going wasn’t getting any softer.
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