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A great ride by Johnny Murtagh, and beaten on the day by a better horse, but anyone who believes that STS "was only doing enough" is plainly ignoring the 5 or 6 good cracks he was given in not many more strides to assert. He had a hard race today, and wouldn’t surprise me at all if it were to prove his last.
Though I’m no great believer in Fame And Glory or the Coolmore hype-machine, that was a pretty convincing post-race interview with Michael Tabor, who gives the impression they think him much better than MCM.
4 superstar 3yo’s in one season? – my cup truly doth runneth over.
Some people are hard to convince- I’d love to have read you in the year of the Brigadier or Nijinsky! FFS how much better can it get to win the Guineas, Derby, Eclipse and International on the spin? For me the style of his wins is the key to continuing to repeat them- he’s a horse that only does enough and has to be persuaded to do even that- I doubt he had as hard a race as it looked today and expect him to come out of the race well and to be fit to do himself justice again in lass than 3 weeks, if they ask him. Would agree that the Arc looks unlikely though and have laid him ante post- more likely Santa Anita as a swansong to a great career.
Edit- you do talk some shoite Fist- he’s just won the feckin’ Eclipse, beating your beloved Conduit, who was a four year old last time I checked!
I have to say, huge credit goes to MCM for his fighting qualities.
Watched the race again, and just after STS poked through the pacemakers’ corridor, MCM looked completely gassed and yet, it took a race record to beat him by 3/4s.
If this was the best re-enactment of a 19th century/early twentieth match race, then I was very impressed.
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Some people are hard to convince- I’d love to have read you in the year of the Brigadier or Nijinsky! FFS how much better can it get to win the Guineas, Derby, Eclipse and International on the spin? For me the style of his wins is the key to continuing to repeat them- he’s a horse that only does enough and has to be persuaded to do even that- I doubt he had as hard a race as it looked today and expect him to come out of the race well and to be fit to do himself justice again in lass than 3 weeks, if they ask him. Would agree that the Arc looks unlikely though and have laid him ante post- more likely Santa Anita as a swansong to a great career.
Carv
I was easier to convince in those days.
One only has to cast their mind back as far as Authorized to see all that glitters is not necessarily gold.
Truth is, he beat one horse yesterday, and had to work to do it.I thought he set some sort of world record timewise in doing so; doesn’t that prove somthing?
Fist, yesterday’s race was open to older horses, in fact, one of his opponents, Georgebernardshaw, is a 4-y-o.
John Oxx cannot be held responsible if none of the connections of the better older horses were prepared to take Sea The Stars on.
Colin
Sea The Stars has already beaten the best European middle distance older horse in Conduit.
He has nothing whatsoever to prove. Fist is just in denial.
Two consecutive track records broken in succession; at Sandown and York, merely emphasise and re-affirm what a great horse Sea The Stars actually is.
Kinane said he’s the best he’s ever ridden, which says a helluva lot, considering the horses he’s sat on.
A great horse with such a wonderful temperament and attitude. One of the best I’ve seen, without question.
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Watched it a few times again, Its very impressive the way he picked up MCM when he had and breezed past him, this is a really good one
Does anyone know if they are thinking of send Sea the Stars to the Breeder’s Cup this year?
I must confess that as a supporter of Vincent and now of Aidan I would hate to see Sea th Stars beaten by Fame and Glory. He has become the underdog .What a switch for me.Rooting against Aidan.
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Fist, yesterday’s race was open to older horses, in fact, one of his opponents, Georgebernardshaw, is a 4-y-o.
John Oxx cannot be held responsible if none of the connections of the better older horses were prepared to take Sea The Stars on.
Colin
Like what Colin? Would anyone would be calling him Superstar if Henry and Ravens were around?…….every year the press, trainers and jockeys tell us he’s the best ever the best I’ve trained the best I’ve ridden and it’s pure propeganda for the best part.
No one is denying he’s a very good horse but look how close he came to beig beaten yesterday…I thought he was to be honest, but a combination of MCM not quite getting there and StS ability to quicken won the day.
The question still remains are Fame and glory Rip Van Winkle and Mastercraftsmen
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wonder horses or is Sea the Stars just the best of a bad lot.
I was much more impressed by the epic battles between Heny and ravens than I have been with what I have seen so far this year. They did it all and went Stateside and beat their best…… If Sea The Stars doesn’t win the Arc or Breeders he’ll never be in my Hall of Fame top 10.
I can’t see Oxx going to the Arc….but truly wish he would. I want to see how good the horse really is but he just keeps beating the same horses……. The Derby/Irish Derby form has fallen to bits…Golden sword got stuffed, Masterof the horse stuffed Rip Van Winkle turns out he’s a miler, Age of Aquuarius beaten, Debussy wins then gets stuffed. Go right back and you’ll find Kitewood big deal!!!
Fame and glory Beats Golden Sword and Mourayan and they both get stuffed by their elders.
How much proof do people need too realise this is about the worst bunch of horses seen around for years?
Sea the Stars is beating that lot by one or 2 lengths and that tell me he is no Superstar…….The old sayings "He can only beat what’s put in front of him" "He only does what he has to do" are complete garbage……put Shergar for one in this years Derby and Wally would be half way through his dinner before that lot would have got to the unsaddling enclosure.
Fist, yesterday’s race was open to older horses, in fact, one of his opponents, Georgebernardshaw, is a 4-y-o.
John Oxx cannot be held responsible if none of the connections of the better older horses were prepared to take Sea The Stars on.
Colin
Like what Colin? Would anyone would be calling him Superstar if Henry and Ravens were around?…….every year the press, trainers and jockeys tell us he’s the best ever the best I’ve trained the best I’ve ridden and it’s pure propeganda for the best part.
No one is denying he’s a very good horse but look how close he came to beig beaten yesterday…I thought he was to be honest, but a combination of MCM not quite getting there and StS ability to quicken won the day.
The question still remains are Fame and glory Rip Van Winkle and Mastercraftsmen
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wonder horses or is Sea the Stars just the best of a bad lot.
I was much more impressed by the epic battles between Heny and ravens than I have been with what I have seen so far this year. They did it all and went Stateside and beat their best…… If Sea The Stars doesn’t win the Arc or Breeders he’ll never be in my Hall of Fame top 10.
I can’t see Oxx going to the Arc….but truly wish he would. I want to see how good the horse really is but he just keeps beating the same horses……. The Derby/Irish Derby form has fallen to bits…Golden sword got stuffed, Masterof the horse stuffed Rip Van Winkle turns out he’s a miler, Age of Aquuarius beaten, Debussy wins then gets stuffed. Go right back and you’ll find Kitewood big deal!!!
Fame and glory Beats Golden Sword and Mourayan and they both get stuffed by their elders.
How much proof do people need too realise this is about the worst bunch of horses seen around for years?
Sea the Stars is beating that lot by one or 2 lengths and that tell me he is no Superstar…….The old sayings "He can only beat what’s put in front of him" "He only does what he has to do" are complete garbage……put Shergar for one in this years Derby and Wally would be half way through his dinner before that lot would have got to the unsaddling enclosure.
If he does actually go win the BC or Arc, dont forget you can always use "if he was a great he would have won his 1st race on track." to put him down with.
If u put all the greats in the race with sea the stars and he beat them half a length you would still get the wallies coming out with same rubbish. Unbelievable
Just watched the race again for the umpteenth time and I’m convince this horse would travel all over anything in its path.
Fist, you should look at the essence of his wins and forget about proximity for a second. This horse is bomb proof, much like Ravens Pass was in his attitude and willingness to travel like a beast before gobbling up the prey. I still think STS’s potential is untapped and just hope the horse gets the chances to put the very best in the world to the sword, as I’m sure he would. Nothing would be able to get STS off the bridle in a Leger and it’s a shame that wont be on the agenda.
Oxx has said he left he bit to work on for the Champion Stakes, and expects STS to be spot on come the day.
Stacelita~
Thanks!! I am so curious and interested in Euroepan racing and just love reading the enthusiasm here which is similar to the US. It’s nice to see people stick with and root for (and defend….since there will ALWAYS be naysayers no matter where you are. We have had flat out rivalries over the years and it seems the horses always develop a following but usually that is a biased following and most of the time they cannot even recognize the accomplished of their "rival". We are seeing alot of that recently with Rachel Alexandra and Zenyatta.
I am excited that Sea the Stars is coming to the Breeder’s Cup. Do you know what race(s) they plan to prep him for it in next?
Would anyone would be calling him Superstar if Henry and Ravens were around?…….every year the press, trainers and jockeys tell us he’s the best ever the best I’ve trained the best I’ve ridden and it’s pure propeganda for the best part.
If he was a Ballydoyle inmate Fist, I’d be inclined to agree with you. However, in my experience both Oxx and Mick Kinane don’t go into that sort of bullsh1te. If MJK says he thinks he’s the best horse he’s ever ridden, then I for one wouldn’t doubt him. When he was retained by Coolmore Mick would never go overboard praising a horse like Murtagh, Spencer, Fallon etc would when they were in the same position.
John Oxx has trained some bloody good horses down the years like Ridgewood Pearl, Sinndar and Azamour. He’s in no doubt that Sea The Stars is the best he’s had at Currabeg. Mick compares the horse favourably to the likes of Montjeu, High Chaparral, Rock Of Gibraltar, Giants Causeway, Gallileo and George Washington.
Sea The Stars is as good a 3yo as we’ve seen for about twenty years and it is not his fault that the standard of the older horses around at the moment is poor.
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Sea The Stars is as good a 3yo as we’ve seen for about twenty years and it is not his fault that the standard of the older horses around at the moment is poor.
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Though I’d maintain that Conduit didn’t run his race in the Eclipse (apparently SMS hasn’t been happy with him yet this season), it’s broadly true that there aren’t many older horses around capable of testing Sea The Stars at the moment, and even looking forward to the Irish Champion Stakes, if Tartan Bearer doesn’t run, there’s little else in the field to give us an accurate picture. Very good horse SMS undoubtedly is, until he proves himself in a proper field of top class all-age horses I’d reserve the accolade of ‘best in 20 years’.
Authorized had a very similar profile at this stage of the season, and had Frankie not made a complete ar*se of the Eclipse ride, would have been unbeaten (and arguably more impressive) and equally deserving of the praise lashed on STS. However, we all know what happened when it came to thereal
test, and it remains my view that STS has still to face his.
Incidentally I’m fairly certain that Mick Kinane once held George Washington in similar regard.Stacelita
If u put all the greats in the race with sea the stars and he beat them half a length you would still get the wallies coming out with same rubbish. UnbelievableStacelita
God forbid ‘the wallies’ should ever sink to the asinine level of the above little gem
One only has to cast their mind back as far as Authorized to see all that glitters is not necessarily gold. 
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