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Bracelet was given an even better ride from Joseph than Leading Light in my view. That mare looks very awkward, but he was sympathetic and forceful at just the right times.
Joseph has picked up a seven-day ban and a £3,000 fine for using his whip above the permitted number of times.
So yet another winner is allowed to keep the race despite the jockey breaking the rules.
"The best TV ride Joseph has ever given a horse. He became a man today and set aside the ”nice boy” approach and showed the world what he was capable of doing. I have always likened him to Lester in style, now he has shown Lester”s sheer determination".
This I took from the Racing Post.It so exactly expressed my feelings after the race that I cannot add to it.However two swallows don’t make a summer.I know, I know don’t tell me.I take it you haven’t heard he broke the rules yet Andyod?
Charles Darwin to conquer the World
Joseph has picked up a seven-day ban and a £3,000 fine for using his whip above the permitted number of times.
So yet another winner is allowed to keep the race despite the jockey breaking the rules.
The winner got £212,662 so the 3k is nothing. the 7 day ban will be moved somewhere in the calendar when no group 1 races are on.
In a nutshell it encourages them to break the rules.Charles Darwin to conquer the World
I don’t get the argument that says jockeys win because they break the whip rules…..the whip rules are about how racing presents itself to the public i.e so that our sport doesn’t look to be about beating animals with whips in the name of sport…its about PR and surely nobody is suggesting that results should be changed because whip rules have been broken???
The Gold Cup would be a perfect example of the rules being justifiably broken in that the winner idled and hung and needed every stroke that he was given.
The rules need to be changed so that more discretion and judgment can be used by both jockeys and stewards but the ‘should have been disqualified’ argument baffles me.
…the 7 day ban will be moved somewhere in the calendar when no group 1 races are on.
Yeah; the current situation is farcical. What reason is there for jockeys to stick to the rules when connections will almost certainly pay their fines (I’m sure the Coolmore lot can find three grand down the back of the sofa) and bans will be moved to the point where they’re meaningless? Bans should be imposed on a fixed timescale, with no flexibility at all.
Wordfromthewise
He wouldn’t break the whip rule though would he if he wasn’t gaining an advantage?
Charles Darwin to conquer the World
He got a further two days for the same offence in the last race, nine days in total. The ban will run from 3 July to 11 July and will mean he misses The Eclipse. Will be interesting to see who they get to ride Australia if he goes to Sandown instead of The Irish Derby.
I can’t see he can justify his use of the whip in the Gold Cup and have some sympathy with the thought that as he broke the rules the horse should be disqualified. The question should be ‘would the horse have won the race if he hadn’t broken the rules’ ? If the answer is no then perhaps it should have been disqualified.
The question should be ‘would the horse have won the race if he hadn’t broken the rules’ ? If the answer is no then perhaps it should have been disqualified.
I would say that the primary question, in any race, should be "Did the rider break the rules?" and if the answer is positive, the horse should be disqualified.
The stewards also said he caused interference.
4.25, fourth race
The Stewards held an enquiry into the use of the whip by Joseph O’Brien, the rider of the winner, LEADING LIGHT (IRE), from 3 furlongs out. Having heard his evidence and viewed recordings of the race, they found him in breach of Schedule (B)6 Part 2 in that he used his whip above the permitted level. The Stewards suspended O’Brien for 7 days as follows: Thursday 3, Friday 4, Saturday 5, Sunday 6, Monday 7, Tuesday 8 and Wednesday 9 July 2014. Under Rule (B)54 the Stewards also fined the rider £3,000.
They further enquired into the use of the whip by Jim Crowley, the rider of MISSUNITED (IRE), from approaching 2 furlongs out. Having heard his evidence and viewed recordings of the race, they found him in breach of Schedule (B)6 Part 2 in that he used his whip above the permitted level. The Stewards suspended Crowley for 4 days as follows: Thursday 3, Friday 4, Sunday 6 and Monday 7 July 2014.
The Stewards noted that the winner, LEADING LIGHT (IRE), had interfered with BROWN PANTHER, placed fourth, who then interfered with ESTIMATE (IRE), placed second, who then interfered with MISSUNITED (IRE), placed third, approaching the furlong marker but after viewing a recording of the incident they were satisfied that it neither involved a riding offence nor improved LEADING LIGHT (IRE)’s placing.
Uh dear ,,,not the dreaded whip rules again …..most times they work , come the big meetings with extra juicy prize money , it all goes west …
forget disqualification . it wont ever happen , the rules are working pretty good most times , nobody is going back to a more punitive stance , that was tried and failed
Always some idiot to suggest disqualification , when its apparent the best horse won and would still win if they were still running
get real
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If one uses the axiom if you break the rule you get disqualified then very many winners would be disqualified.No more careless riding,letting your horse run off a straight line,barging etc to gain advantage etc etc etc.All will now be disqualified since if you break the rule you get disqualified.Incidentally I agree with the axiom.
Hypothetical situation. Close, say, four horse finish. 3 are being vigorously ridden with their riders overdoing the whip. The 4th horse is not having the whip used on it, but hangs sharply and bumps the other runners making them stumble/possibly fall over. The three riders who used the whip get fined/banned for overdoing it with whip. The rider who didn’t use the whip gets fined/banned for dangerous riding/ bumping/ not keeping his mount straight and yet pleads that he’d have had to whip his mount so vigorously to have kept him straight that he’d have got punished for that too!
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