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June 3, 2024 at 17:38 #1696887
NOBLE DYNASTY 7/1 Power
Not a good race and last time out beat English Oak who romped home next time out. And can continue to climb the ranks.
June 6, 2024 at 12:21 #1697076I’ll stick with POPMASTER 22-1 ew with Laddies boost for me.
Been a bit disappointing so far this season but if he can get back to last season’s end of year form I think he’ll run well.June 6, 2024 at 13:17 #1697079Pogo ew 5 places
June 6, 2024 at 14:22 #1697085It’s never much of a weekend ahead of Royal Ascot. This one is no exception.
My pin’s landed on Point Lynas. I thought there was plenty to like about his York win. He went hard on the front end, and it wasn’t a case of taking advantage of an easy lead. Hoping he gets quick ground, backs up, and most of all finds a couple of pounds for the drop in trip.
June 6, 2024 at 20:07 #1697102Great price Darren.
I’ve just taken 9/2 Noble Dynasty.Value Is EverythingJune 6, 2024 at 20:15 #1697103I was on Point Lynas at York so I can’t jump off.
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June 6, 2024 at 21:37 #1697115Could be plenty of pace which will set it up for Bless Him 25’s and the wonder horse Witch Hunter 11/2
Can’t see Witch Hunter out of the first place… Which makes me wonder is he here for a Queen Anne warm upBlackbeard to conquer the World
June 6, 2024 at 21:48 #1697119I can only imagine it’s the potential pace overdose that is causing Point Lynas to drift. Are they all going to be stupid enough to go forward?
June 6, 2024 at 22:02 #1697122They’ve been stupid enough before to let horses go on unassailable leads with no chance of recovery so possible
Sometimes a lead horse that doesn’t lead can throw in the towel. Trainer instructions to add to the mix. If they all think don’t be stupid and nothing jumps clear it could get messy, makes it tactically intriguingBlackbeard to conquer the World
June 6, 2024 at 23:33 #1697132Content with 4/1 NOBLE DYNASTY. Had 400+ days off before what looked an average run in Dubai, that clearly brought him on loads and fancy him to keep improving. Hopefully Pat Dobbs is the right man for the job with Buick in the US.
June 7, 2024 at 01:17 #1697139I expected to be against Witch Hunter before I studied the race, but with Pogo, Port Lynus and Quinault all front runners who rarely do anything else – all probably need to lead in order to produce their best. Plus Flight Plan whose best form is from the front… And Noble Dynasty also seemed to improve last time when leading (although prior to that seemed equally effective from mid-div)… It may well be set up for the normally dropped out the back, Witch Hunter.
Another one I like at the prices is Vic Cup runner-up Ramazan. Ridden nearer the pace there but is normally held up. Has been headed close home in three of his last 4 starts. Be great if he could go one better here.
Witch Hunter 11/2, Ramazan 7/1 and Noble Dynasty 9/2. Combined price of 2.17 46.1% about something imo has a 19% + 15% + 22% = 56% (1.79) chance of winning.
Value Is EverythingJune 7, 2024 at 14:27 #1697163Do you not find with races like this where connections know on paper everyone wants to go forward based on previous form, that they change tactics to try and be clever and in the end none of them do and it pans out the opposite way to how you expected it? Its why I don’t really see the point in pace maps because it only really tells you what they’ve done in the past not what they will do on the day, front runner might miss the kick, horse suddenly changes tactics with no clue it’ll happen… seen it all happen many times. Take them with a pinch of salt.
June 7, 2024 at 14:40 #1697164I can see where you are coming from. The pace map is no more than an indication of what has happened in the past. It’s certainly not an absolute guarantee.
The worst example for me is Dan Skelton. So many horses ridden out the back until all of a sudden they are ‘expected’ and tactics are completely changed. No more secretive trainer in the game.
June 7, 2024 at 15:03 #1697168Pogo was hassled up front and passed from about halfway in his last race but rallied. Witch Hunter was behind. Over same course and distance and grade. Will Witch Hunter be able to reverse it?
June 7, 2024 at 17:15 #1697181It’s always possible some jockeys / connections will change tactics. But changing tactics to what the horse doesn’t like still means those ex-front runners have less chance because they’re less likely to run to form doing something different.
I’d be surprised if one or two don’t try something different, but even so there should be enough competition for the lead to make at least a good pace. ie Not inconveniencing those held up… And a good chance of a strong pace and a fair chance of an overly strong pace. If the latter it will enhance Witch Hunter’s chance enormously. Another way it will suit him is it would turn into a test of stamina at the trip. ie Suit those effective between 7f and a mile rather than those effective from 6f to 7f.
However, there’s still a fair chance one or more of these front runners being non-runners.
Value Is EverythingJune 7, 2024 at 17:34 #1697182Who are you expecting to pull out? Both Pogo and Point Lynas are better on better ground.
June 7, 2024 at 18:11 #1697184Mike, Witch Hunter needed two runs to get him fit for the Lockinge. I’d expect him to strip fitter tomorrow
Plus it was a small field and I’d expect the pace will be quicker tomorrow tooBlackbeard to conquer the World
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