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There’s a rule I always had In the workplace and all decent managers stick to it rigidly.
If someone working for you fucks up you do NOT belittle them to others. You don’t waltz around moaning “he’s crap isn’t he? Cant get the staff”
You just say nothing and resolve it because it’s not only decency but others are watching
What you also don’t do is the equivalent of the Mullins/O’Leary bollocks and tell the world everything is wonderful when it cLearly isn’t
You can see ITV racing rubbing their hands drawing up Dettori’s contract with them right now!
No class from Johnnie on airing his views so publicly. Like others it’s an emotional sport, but you’d think there are certain discussions that at least would go on in the dressing room or behind closed doors first.
That’s a difference however with racing, there’s a living beast under you to more than think about along with other beasts and jockey’s with tactics trying to thwart your plans if they can, especially when the prize is so great.
It’s not easy!Nothing’s really been said about the form of trainer’s either. They all suffer from baron spells from time to time for a number of reasons, there’s a bug, stable’s not firing on all cylinder’s etc, etc.
Especially as they have had many great days, quite sad to see those at the top of the sport not accept their part in any defeat, it’s a team sport and needs all of the cogs working together properly. That’s it really.
But airing it all in the open has looked a bit ugly and thought Johnnie was better and classier than that.
Don’t think I’ve ever been so pleased to see Dettori ride a winner, actually.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"I remember a close-up of the close friends on ITV in the parade ring prior to Emily Upjohn’s run at Epsom. It looked none too cordial to me.
I suppose we should cut Frankie a bit of slack with English not being his first language. His post race comments though seemed petulant and lacking magnanimity complaining of bad ‘orses’ as though there had been a field of 20 to come round. Then at Ascot, his inference that the squeaky violin wouldn’t have won anyway was always going to rankle after messing up in consecutive years. Perhaps a bit of a McCain/ Fletcher parallelWhen you consider how few rides Dettori has had this season even for the Gosdens, it makes me wonder if the feud between them has had far deeper roots than Royal Ascot.
Why does Dettori not ride at the likes of Windsor on a Monday night or Nottingham on a wet Tuesday afternoon? I do not recall Pat Eddery and Willie Carson refusing to ride at these meetings after they had turned 50.
Maybe Gosden was getting annoyed at Dettori not going to small meetings to ride a promising 2 year old and letting Havlin do it instead, while he sat on his backside in Newmarket.
Havlin won on a promising 2 year old at Newbury during the week. Even if the Royal Ascot debacle had not happened, who thinks Dettori would have bothered to ride that horse?
I do not believe you can just ride on Saturday and at selected midweek meetings. You have to ride at the bread and butter meetings as well to keep your eye in.
I suspect Gosden was getting more and more frustrated with Dettori and Ascot was when it reached breaking point. To say you are only going to ride at the big meetings and then screw it up is not a good look.
I am told it does go back further – apparently Gosden wasn’t happy with the ride on Palace Pier in the QEII last year.
My bet on Lezoo aside, I’m not sure which amused me most yesterday – the filly winning for Dettori or Sunray Major getting beat in the Criterion.
Childish, I know.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“I approach life with a smile on my face.”
He forgot to add: “but only when the cameras are on me.”
I do wonder if Frankie has had some mental health issues during his career , he comments of how he felt after the Ascot 7 timer is a good example of this
We’ve ALL got mental health issues – can you think of anyone who hasn’t?
The current definition is now so broad we all get a piece of the action.
I’ve long since caved in myself as I find it quite helpful.
Whenever (frequently) I’m rightly accused of being selfish, I explain I have to behave like that as it’s essential for my mental health and keeps me smiling.
Unless it’s offered an an excuse for doing something actually illegal (and even then it’s worth a try in 21st century UK law courts) it works every time.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“Maybe Gosden was getting annoyed at Dettori not going to small meetings to ride a promising 2 year old and letting Havlin do it instead, while he sat on his backside in Newmarket”.
I have also been wondering about this. Recently promising Gosden horses have been ridden on debut, not only by Havlin but also the likes of Jack Mitchell & Martin Harley midweek (even at Yarmouth which is just down the road). I don’t know what Gosden feels about this but I can imagine it may be a source of tension with owners who (reasonably or unreasonably) expect Dettori to be on their horse.
It was certainly classless of Gosden to air his views so publicly. I’m sure it goes well beyond a few bad rides at Ascot though. 3rd time Dettori has been dropped as retained rider….
“3rd time Dettori has been dropped as retained rider….”
A point which has been overlooked in the coverage.
To be dropped once might be considered unfortunate. To be dropped three times looks like something more serious.
I do think Dettori has been treated in a disrespectful way by Gosden – but maybe he is a difficult person to work with and Gosden has just had enough.
How have Johnnie’s horses been fairing without Dettori in the saddle?
Better win rate or worse?
If it’s the latter could Mr no class’s stable be under a cloud?Responding to quotes:
[Quote: –]“When you consider how few rides Dettori has had this season even for the Gosdens, it makes me wonder if the feud between them has had far deeper roots than Royal Ascot.
Why does Dettori not ride at the likes of Windsor on a Monday night or Nottingham on a wet Tuesday afternoon? I do not recall Pat Eddery and Willie Carson refusing to ride at these meetings after they had turned 50.
I do not believe you can just ride on Saturday and at selected midweek meetings. You have to ride at the bread and butter meetings as well to keep your eye in.”[Unquote]TRC still have Dettori at number six in the world in the Jockey Rankings. Dettori has had many fewer mounts in the UK/IRE than the championship chasers this year, but still 33% more than the Irish champion Colin Keane
I think there is a reasonable chance that, a few years ago, Dettori settled on the type of jockey he wanted to be. He possibly chose to be a jockey who could have a family life, in two different countries; wife and children in England, father, mother, siblings in Italy. He might also have decided not to be the type of jockey who finished his career, beholden to alcohol and totally knackered. Too many top class jockeys over the last century became burned out, or with compromised health issues. There are too many stories in the public domain, all the way from Doug Smith, through Pat Eddery, Steve Cauthen and Walter Swinburn, to Richard Hughes who nearly, or actually, paid the ultimate price of living a lifestyle and battling the pressures that a career as a jockey can bring with it. It is reasonable to suppose that Dettori thought that concentration on riding good class horses in high class races was the answer.
For Dettori – arrive at Gosden stables 7:00 AM to ride five unraced two-year-olds. Drive to Folkestone to ride two maidens and three 60-80 handicappers. Drive to Redcar evening meeting to ride three maidens and three 50–70 handicappers. Get back home at 11:00PM.
Response: No thanks. Taking a day off, then riding in German Derby and Oaks, Another day off, then flight to USA for four Grade One chances at Belmont. See you next weekend for three Group racesFor Michaelangelo – “Oi! Come here, there are these three doors and four staircases to paint in the next five hours”
Response: No thanks. I am off to paint the Sistine Chapel.I am sure Dettori can afford a driver.
It would be a bit of a waste of time going to Folkestone today, unless he just wanted a walk.
Jockeys can only ride at one meeting a day now anyway, so the point about going on to Redcar is obsolete. And Dettori is often not even riding at one meeting. So what is he doing?
Is it really such a burden to ride somewhere like Leicester or Nottinghan in the afternoon? He does not even go to Yarmouth.
If I was a trainer and employed a stable jockey, I would expect him to ride my horses at the main meeting of the day when I had runners. Not just when he felt like it. Is that so unreasonable?
If he is not prepared to do that, I would look for a jockey who will. If that has been an issue with Gosden, then I can understand his frustration – but he still should have handled it better.
I’m similar to CAS.
The reason why I’m on Dettori’s side (even though he is no Angel himself) has less to do with him once being polite to me at Windsor races and more to do with the fact I don’t think any employer, regardless of circumstances, should ever be publicly critical of any existing employee (which Dettori was at the time).
Gosden can be unhappy about the rides he was giving horses, his availability, his attitude, anything.
He can get rid too if he likes – and let’s face it he has done.
It’s the needless snide public comments on the run up to it that got up my nose.
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