The home of intelligent horse racing discussion
The home of intelligent horse racing discussion

Jockey or Pork Pie

Home Forums Horse Racing Jockey or Pork Pie

Viewing 17 posts - 1 through 17 (of 23 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #1549903
    TROY111
    Participant
    • Total Posts 280

    What’s the point of interviewing winning Jockeys after races, do we learn anything? or is it just a sandwich filler for the media. Me personally i believe we’d get more sence from a pork pie. :wacko: :negative:

    #1549909
    Avatar photoPurwell
    Participant
    • Total Posts 1618

    I agree, any comments from the jockey should be made to connections first.

    I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
    I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highways
    #1549914
    Avatar photoGingertipster
    Participant
    • Total Posts 34704

    Agreed Purwell. I remember Richard Thornton making a point of doing so.

    Value Is Everything
    #1549915
    Avatar photoGingertipster
    Participant
    • Total Posts 34704

    When it comes to what all connections – not just jockeys – say: It’s all biased opinion. Very rarely makes any difference to what I back… But as a racing enthusiast am still interested, so can keep your sandwich or even your pork pie Troy. :good:

    Value Is Everything
    #1549943
    Avatar photoCork All Star
    Participant
    • Total Posts 11806

    “I remember Richard Thornton making a point of doing so.”

    Or, for pedantry’s sake, Robert “Choc” Thornton. ;-)

    #1549951
    Avatar photoPurwell
    Participant
    • Total Posts 1618

    Which Tyler was leader of The Pedants Revolt!

    I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
    I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highways
    #1549955
    Avatar photoIanDavies
    Blocked
    • Total Posts 12996

    TROY111 has a username which puts me in mind of Troy’s first three races as a 3yo.

    From memory, he won the Classic Trial at Sandown Park narrowly from something like Two Of Diamonds, won the Predominate Stakes at Goodwood easily from Serge Lifar then won The Derby equally easily in the end on Epsom Downs.

    Willie Carson was always worth interviewing – he had plenty of attitude in his prime.

    His interview with Brough Scott after the 1989 Derby stands out.

    “I set out to track Cacoethes because everyone kept telling me his good he is. Doesn’t look so good now, does he?”

    I am "The Horse Racing Punter" on Facebook
    https://mobile.twitter.com/Ian_Davies_
    https://www.facebook.com/ThePointtoPointNHandFlatracingpunter/
    It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"

    #1549958
    Avatar photoThe Tatling Cheekily
    Blocked
    • Total Posts 2723

    I’m vegetarian. Neither.

    BUY THE SUN

    #1549959
    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
    Participant
    • Total Posts 34675

    It’s all biased opinion

    Doesn’t mean its not all wrong

    Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026

    #1549963
    Salut A Toi
    Participant
    • Total Posts 207

    “I set out to track Cacoethes because everyone kept telling me his good he is. Doesn’t look so good now, does he?”

    Indeed, and after winning the Guineas on the same horse when asked about the stamina doubts he said something like “Write down all the names of the people that think that on pieces of paper, put them in a top hat and afterwards pull them out one by one and say ‘Idiot’ ” – characteristic giggle/cackle didn’t feature.

    (It’s only now I feel safe to admit to being one of those “idiots”)

    #1549968
    Avatar photoIanDavies
    Blocked
    • Total Posts 12996

    Some people don’t like Willie Carson – and God knows why he was sympathising with Graham Bradley when the Panorama crew collared him – but I thought Carson was quality when interviewed in his own career.

    I was fortunate enough to do a telephone interview with him for a feature in TODAY in 1995 – he was excellent to talk to.

    I am "The Horse Racing Punter" on Facebook
    https://mobile.twitter.com/Ian_Davies_
    https://www.facebook.com/ThePointtoPointNHandFlatracingpunter/
    It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"

    #1549973
    Avatar photoPurwell
    Participant
    • Total Posts 1618

    He opened a Betting Shop on our estate and bought a round in the local pub. Cheers Willie!

    I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
    I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highways
    #1549976
    Anonymous
    Inactive
    • Total Posts 2553

    Got to be on the shortlist for Thread Title Of The Year award.

    #1550120
    TROY111
    Participant
    • Total Posts 280

    Ian, you got me thinking I remember willie on TV many years ago talking about Troy and stating he’ll win tomorrow, can’t remember the race but the next day I popped into bookies in Liverpool city center.
    I got talking to a bloke and told him what willie said and he also backed Troy, won a fair bit as I had singles doubles going.
    I heard willie, was told not to disclose too much info to the media.
    And then leads me to another occasion riding April Bouquet in the Rose Bowl at Haydock for the Major, the stalls opened and he held him back, missed the break as Racing Post tell us, during the race he kept him boxed in.
    Well I was on for the Britannia at Royal Ascot got 7/1 and the rest is history.
    The days of Jockeys like Willie are gone apart from a few, I’m referring to the top Jockeys doing low weights.
    And the piece with Nick Luck a few weeks ago was excellent, get back on the media Willie your audience awaits.
    Ian, once again thanks for bringing back memories. :good:

    #1550134
    Avatar photoIanDavies
    Blocked
    • Total Posts 12996

    You’re welcome.

    A lot of people in the media didn’t like Carson – he was abrupt, acerbic, didn’t suffer fools gladly and it was even once said he didn’t even have much to do with his own children, considering them good-for-nothings who just sponged off him.

    But whether that gossip is true or not, he was popular with punters.

    He had a busy style, arms often pumping from some way out whether going well or not and if you backed a Carson ride you usually felt, win or lose, he’d given it every chance.

    And he was outspoken – he basically trashed Cacoethes live on air after The Derby, Brough Scott was embarrassed but Carson didn’t care.

    He was similarly adamant Gorytus had been got at prior to the 1982 Dewhurst.

    In terms of being “out there” and not caring who he upset, Carson was ahead of his time.

    He was a curious contrast with Dick Hern, chalk and cheese, but it worked a treat, never more so than when they plotted a famous tactical QEII victory on Bahri in 1995.

    I found Carson hard work initially on the phone, but I think I asked him the right sort of challenging questions giving him a chance to talk in depth about past and present horses he’d ridden.

    I am "The Horse Racing Punter" on Facebook
    https://mobile.twitter.com/Ian_Davies_
    https://www.facebook.com/ThePointtoPointNHandFlatracingpunter/
    It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"

    #1550140
    Avatar photoCork All Star
    Participant
    • Total Posts 11806

    Willie Carson, together with Steve Cauthen, were the two jockeys I liked most when I first started betting. In an interview with Nick Luck on RTV recently, Carson said Cauthen was the strongest jockey he ever rode against.

    Sorry to be pedantic but Bahri was trained by John Dunlop, not by Major Hern!

    #1550144
    Avatar photoIanDavies
    Blocked
    • Total Posts 12996

    Oh my goodness, you’re right!

    I plead advancing years and a faulty memory!

    I think I heard Carson got the tactic from Hern, though, who told him if you race under the trees on the old mile after rain you can find a quicker strip of ground.

    It was for sure an epic ride.

    I am "The Horse Racing Punter" on Facebook
    https://mobile.twitter.com/Ian_Davies_
    https://www.facebook.com/ThePointtoPointNHandFlatracingpunter/
    It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"

Viewing 17 posts - 1 through 17 (of 23 total)
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.