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Sorry that sounded really arrogant didn’t it. It seemed to drift throughout the morning basically before somebody saying hang on this is a big price. Ivy Creek made 6l in the straight to fail by a neck and may be unlucky but Art Deco didn’t want to let it pass.
Thanks for the analysis does not sound as though Wraggs pre race comments of "wanting to be up with the leaders" quite panned out. BTW you answered my question didn’t sound arrogant at all and thats with me having just done my money!
Another nice one Jacko. The Whistling Teal cuts down the erratic Orcadian with Mubtaker detached in last. I think the rain did for Mubtaker.
Dicky Hills gets another odds on jolly turned over. Im doin very well laying the worst flat jockey in England. When will everybody learn. IMO, its gone beyond a joke how bad he is. I cant believe he retains his No 1 post with Hamdan. But as long as he does, we can take him on with confidence.<br>I know this Dicky bashing is waring thin, but lets be serious. Hes an absolute disgrace.
Agreed Aston the ride Hills gave Mubtaker was little short of a joke.
The horse loves being allowed to use his stride and gallop and is more than happy being prominant so what does Hills do today? Holds the horse up on a sharper track, makes headway for no reason at halfway to go prominant, I don’t think the horse knew whether he was coming or going. Whereas Aidan O’Brien knows what goes through a horses head and mentally manages them superbly, Hills today could’ve done nothing at all for Mubtakers mentality asking the horse to do something he was totally uncomfortable with. What the hell was he doing?
All Hills had to do was ride Mubtaker as he was ridden at Newbury. As soon as they’d gone half a furlong I knew Mubtaker hadn’t a prayer of winning today.
(Edited by The Market Man at 4:08 pm on May 12, 2006)
Quote: from The Market Man on 4:07 pm on May 12, 2006[br]The horse loves being allowed to use his stride and gallop<br>
Chester is a course that is well known to playing to such strengths isn’t it. No matter how Hill’s had ridden the horse it wouldn’t have won today. That being the case I think he’s getting stick for the sake of it here.
Quote: from davidjohnson on 4:10 pm on May 12, 2006[br]
Quote: from The Market Man on 4:07 pm on May 12, 2006[br]The horse loves being allowed to use his stride and gallop
Chester is a course that is well known to playing to such strengths isn’t it. No matter how Hill’s had ridden the horse it wouldn’t have won today. That being the case I think he’s getting stick for the sake of it here.
I disagree. Chester is a course that suits front runners or promnant horses. I believe Mubtaker was wridden totally the wrong way.
If I’d backed Mubtaker I’d’ve expected him to be jumped out and make the running. As soon as I’d seen Hills’ "tactics" I’d’ve been yelling at the TV screen. Awful ride IMO.
I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one.
(Edited by The Market Man at 4:39 pm on May 12, 2006)
Thanks EC – although I freely admit I do have a bit of egg on my face over Ivy Creek. I may have been right, but I was very lucky.
As for Mubtaker – well, what can I say!?! I didn’t actually back the whistling teal, as I thought he was too short.
Unfortunately I couldn’t put up Jack Rackham for laying, but backed him instead. I guess that takes the shine off my day a bit, but oh well :biggrin:
Hamilton 6.45 Titus Alone – will go well fresh, loves the <br>ground and is way better than this company.
7.15 Winds of something – step up to 1m 4f will suit really well, especially on Gd-Fm.
7.45 Zaharath Al Bustana – beaten a head by Speciosa on Gd-Fm, and has always run well on quick ground. Excuse last time as was on soft ground.
Jack Rackham 2nd, Titus Alone nowhere, Winds of something 1st at 11/1 and Zaharath Al Bustan 2nd. I don’t know what is up with that last horse, he never seems to be able to get his head in front.
Oh well, I’m happy :biggrin:
I’ll post my lay for tomorrow later in a new thread
I don’t think Mubtaker would have run today whoever rode him. He didn’t look comfortable at all from very early on, and seemed to lack any energy. He just didn’t have any enthusiasm or anything in the tank.
Although I backed Art Deco, Ivy Creek for me put in an amazing performance, and I can’t believe Geoff Wragg won’t run him in the derby.
My immediate reaction after the race was Ivy Creek should be in the front 3 in the betting for the derby, but that there might be a bit of value around him due to the fact he’s not from a glamourous stable.
Absolutely astonishing for me they won’t supplement him.
I’ve not yet seen the race (just the last furlong), but one thing bothers me about all these Classic Trials.
Why do trainers run such fancied horses in the Dee Stakes, Chester Vase, Lingfield Derby Trial, etc but NOT have an entry in the Derby?
Obviously they don’t know in January or whenever that their horses will be good, but surely it’s worth a risk of 100 quid or so, rather than shelling out 20k to supplement their runner.
Speciosa and Briareus are other examples of this.
Can any owners/former owners shed some light on this? Maybe AP Racing?
Thanks
<br>Jackane,
Entry for the Derby costs £315 paid on Dec 1st 2004 for the 2006 Derby. Then there are various declaration stages at which more money has to be paid.
£1000 on March 7th, £3000 on May 19th and £2500 at the 5 day stage on May 29th.
The Oaks is different as the initial entry isn’t until March 1st 2006 and costs £800, with subsequent payments of £1400 and £1200 on May 19th and at 5 day stage.
So connections of Speciosa could have entered in March and dropped out after the Guineas if she’d disappointed for a cost of £800.
Of course the returns put the entry fee into context – the Derby winner this year collects £709,750.
AP
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