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    Everyone (other than emergency services etc) should have the right to strike.
    However, although thanks to Maggie T thankfully not used as much as in the 1970’s – it’s still used too often.

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    Purwell that story at Rooted is true …I knew one of then men who walked out

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    I think we need unions more than ever now. Too much profit goes to CEOs who imo don’t really do any proper grafting. They let their own workers suffer.
    The media and the Tories have vilified unions over the years. We’ve now ended up with a gig economy and zero hour contracts ,it’s appalling.
    People don’t strike just for more money. They go on strike for better working conditions, for better safety conditions , to stand against discrimination and bullying.
    The only weapon of the working classes is to withdraw their labour.

    Imagine what wages and working conditions would be like if we didn’t have unions. I dread to think.
    It should always be a last resort.
    Bosses need to realize that their workers are their main asset.

    As for Boris, well, the more I see him the more I wish he would disappear.That goes for all the Tories.

    How on earth is he still our pm.

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    How anyone can say that ceos don’t “do proper grafting” is beyond me

    As if that applies to each and every one too

    And if people resent the supposed easy life of business CEO’s then start your own business or get the qualifications. You song become a ceo without quite a bit of a cv you know? And see what “graft” is then

    Most have worked bloody hard to get where they are and most business owners have put enormous work in and huge financial commitments

    Not sitting at a ticket office window for a week without one single enquiry

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    I agree Jinnie it should be last resort and must be but in the rail strike it simply isn’t. I’m not against strikes but your views on all bosses are simplistic in the extreme

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    Most childish and pointless PMQs I can remember in a long time today, I thought.

    Possibly irked by criticism of his ineffective display last week, Starmer seemed to me to descend to Johnson’s puerile level.

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    I think a lot of people will look at the fat lump of a PM (what happened to the diet) and think of him as Jabba the Hut from now on. I know I am.

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    Sorry, Moehat, only childish Labour voters on social media who treat politics and political parties like football and tribal support for football clubs will be inanely amused by that.

    Starmer is simply dropping to Johnson’s level and it’s just as pathetic as when he gets called Captain Hindsight.

    I am a Labour voter, and I actually prefer Starmer to Corbyn as Leader, but he’s been really poor the last few weeks.

    Starmer is a decent enough bloke but, beyond his lawyer approach to PMQs, he’s got zero breakthrough cutting edge – it’s just who he is and when he tries to be something he isn’t yesterday’s woeful display is the net result.

    Hung Parliament is the best he can achieve and right now I’d take that – at least it’s preferable to Johnson being in outright control.

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    Moe. Harold wilson was no Adonis and alcoholic john smith was not exactly a poster boy for healthy living and ripped body shape

    And as for the eu lovers favourite angela merkel. You wouldn’t want to see her in a thong

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    Well that’s me told. Never realised I was a childish Labour voter. And I think that Keir quoting all the things Johnson’s MP’s had said about him was pretty clever and certainly shut them up temporarily. Maybe the only way to beat Johnson is to stoop to his level because no matter how many disgusting things he does he just bounces back.

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    Pretty sure he won’t this time moe. It’s over for him with the electorate

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    I hope so. What I don’t understand is why so many decent Conservative MP’s are putting up with him. My MP Heather Wheeler, tells me she has total faith in his integrity. I’m looking forward to our next correspondence when I shall tell her I’m a Brummie. I’d hate to be in her shoes when she goes to the party conference in Brum. I don’t know what I’ve done to deserve it. Edwina Curry was my MP for years.

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    “Well that’s me told. Never realised I was a childish Labour voter.”

    Though answering you, my comment wasn’t specifically directed at you, Moehat.

    On social media, Twitter especially, many wear political allegiances like football fans wear shirts to matches.

    Consequently few take notice of their obviously biased views.

    Tories with blind faith in Johnson, Corbynistas with red roses, even devout Starmer fans – you know exactly what thev are going to write without even needing to read it.

    They don’t influence, let alone convert, anyone.

    “Captain Hindsight” jibes appeal to brainless biased Tories, “Jabba The Hut” jibes appeal to brainless biased Labour voters.

    And the standard of debate just gets lower and lower across the board.

    Starmer is a boring lawyer, decent enough bloke, more integrity than Johnson, but as a comedian he’s about as funny as a blood clot.

    Starmer should stick to what he’s good at.

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    Completely agree ID. Starmer had obviously been stung by the “he’s boring” jibes, some of them uttered by his own side. However, it was a mistake to try to make jokes. It is not something he is any good at and it was painful to watch. Like Gordon Brown being told he had to smile more. It just looked unnatural.

    It has been another bad week for Starmer. He has taken ages to reply to Durham police and now he is under investigation about some sort of possible irregularity with expenses/declaration of gifts. Not a good look for someone who set himself up as having high standards and a bit of a holier than thou attitude, calling for other people to resign when they were under investigation.

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    Started needs to go back to basics , he,s obv a much smarter man than Boris but not being able to use the failure of brexit against him is a ko punch he’s unable to throw , if I was him I’d be continuing the attack reg inflation , stagnant growth and the real possibility of recession , I’m lucky the company I work for has just been taken over by VW and Ive being given a 15% payrise , many this winter are going to be in real dire straits ….Keir will have plenty ammo to use come the autumn…he just needs to keep the gun cocked …

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    I completely agree.

    The Labour Party ought to have known what they were getting when they elected Keir Starmer.

    He’s got a nice dry lawyer’s line at the despatch box (though tbh even I am finding that a bit repetitive now – though most things in life bore me with my gerbil’s attention span eventually!) but he’s boring and strait-laced, a lot of decent, honourable people with principles and integrity are.

    That’s why Angela Rayner, with her broad Manc accent (I’m from Manchester myself) with her “you’re more right wing than Cristiano Ronaldo when he first joined Manchester United!”) gags are the perfect complement to him.

    It’s down to her to provide the working class “welly” she has rightly identified Starmer as lacking.

    It was the economy that did for John Major 1992-97 and led to the Tony Blair landslide.

    I can’t see that happening in 2024, but if Starmer gets through this Durham police investigation intact and reverts to his slow but steady ways after that, and cuts out the sort of nauseating “down with the kids” display at PMQs last Wednesday, his prospects of denying discredited Johnson a working majority in 2024 remain bright.

    No Overall Majority is 1.77 at Betfair Exchange and that looks about right to me.

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    Starmer has no chance at the next election. The right wing media has already started its hatchet job (the Daily Fail features him on the front page pretty much every day, and it’s never in a positive light) and the neoliberal elite will do their utmost to keep the compliant Conservatives in power.

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