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Per Firefox…
"…but it would not be difficult for a young muslim to watch this and conclude that it is a deliberate attempt to subliminally numb the blow of the current Israeli atrocities by saying "we had it far worse during the war you know."
Oy vey! They’d have to be pretty dumb to imagine such a thing, but I accept there may be some gullible enough to believe it. However, that’s not a good enough reason not to air the programme. The sensitivities of the gullible is not a good enough reason to censor a programme which to most rational minds had no intention whatsoever of trying to evoke any kind of emotion regarding the current conflict in Gaza. If they’re daft enough to think this was the aim of the programme then they’d probably believe any conspiracy theory re. the Jews/Israel however ludicrous, that was put forward.
Perhaps there are some Israelis/Jews who feel that Godolphin / and the Maktoums involvement in the British turf is just a covert method of Muslims to gain the ear and thus the sympathy of the Queen and other British big-wigs. Ludiicrous, but hey, a nutcase is a nutcase, regardless of religion (or perhaps because of it?).and what about the slaughter of Israeli women and children by Hammas – but of course that is different isn’t it?
Just as a matter of interest how much time have you actually spent in Israel / West Bank / Gaza – or do you just rely on the media, who you seem to scorn at every opportunity elsewhere, for the "facts".
I think you put that all very mildy Paul….
the idea that the BBC is pro israeli is laughable as anyone that has heard Bowens ramblings and editorial well knows.
I find the idea that the story of Anne frank should have been "pulled" so as not to upset muslims offensive in the extreme. Not only that, Israel’s right to stop two years of constant attack being compared with the Nazi concentartion camps ridiculous. Will not comment further but there is a whiff about the original post which is best explained by asking since when was Anne Frank an israeli anyway?
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and the programme would have been schelduled months ago of course, so paranoia would be misplaced….Of course, if her ethnic origin offends muslims and certain other people…then there is no question that that should be taken into consideration. That would of course be pure racism
Certainly not going to get dragged into this distasteful thread (expected better Grashopper….)
In the mid-1970s the British military could have sent Helicopter gunships and tanks down into Dublin. I am sure people would have justified that due to the terrorist attacks on British citites. Did we? No. So why do the Israelies?
Thats pretty obvious. The IRA was not running dublin and the Irish goverment was not launching missiles at England from sites in Ireland
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However I am simply trying to understand what a muslim (potemtial) radical migh think
what they thing is that Jews (espcially) and christians are "pigs and dogs" who should not inhabit this world and should be "eradicated"
with that driving their thinking, there is nothing we can do, other than killing ourselves, that would ever satisfy them
their is a cigarette paper between their beliefs and those of the very extreme edges (and i mean the very extreme edge..if it even exists to that degree) of white supremacists. I do not give a moments consideration to their feelings either
We had to study Anne Frank’s diary at school – all those years ago. Just thought I’d mention that.
I’m am also fascinated by the holocaust and the Nazi atrocities.
We should never forget.
Anyone seen Shoah, a nine hour documentary film about the Holocaust. Rivetting viewing, if a bit sore on the old bum.
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To be fair clive, the British had to go in and talk to the IRA terrorists in prison to sort out the civil war in NI.
Isreal and the US won’t even recognise Hamas, even though they have been elected.
I think neither side want proper peace and neither side want to compromise over anything. I reckon they make perfect neighbours.
Craig’s tasteless joke of the day….
Did you hear about the new condensed version of the Diary of Anne Frank?
They have reduced it to one line:
"She’s in the attic…!"
Craig
Isreal and the US won’t even recognise Hamas, even though they have been elected
I believe that Israel would recognise hamas if it dropped its commitment to "destroy" the state. there have been heavy hints that they would do so. Until it is impossible for them to do so
I believe Hamas is split. Their lack of public pronouncements (beyond the obvious) and clear leadership is a key. the isralis probably knew this
The difficulty is that there are rights and wrongs on both sides, as with almost all conflict. The reason that it has not been sorted out yet, as with Ireland, is that the divisions are deep and the history bloody.
Talking is the answer but who can get them to talk? Certainly not A.Blair.
Perhaps Barack Obama might be the man but, I fear, the burden of expectation and hope being placed on that man’s shoulders may wear heavily in the months and years to come.
Slag me off, please, you are welcome, but I express my feelings based on what I have experienced. I respect you and Clives as being different – of course I do. I do not want another spat.
I don’t want a spat either – we are all entitled to our views.
You base your views on your experience.
I too base my views on my experience. Of the time I have spent in Israel – sadly now a lot less, were I still single I would still be visiting three or four times a year like I used to, however I am not prepared to risk my wife’s life so am not able to visit so much.
I personally don’t believe you can compare the situation in the middle east with the IRA situation. They are too different.
The biggest problem with the Israel / Palestinian situation is there are too many influential hard liners on both sides. If it was left to the "normal" people on both sides the matter would be resolved. I do believe the majority of people on both sides do want and could reach a lasting agreement.
However, as it often the case, it is the more extreme elements who somehow tend to hold sway. Yitzhak Rabin was the best chance Israel had – but we know what happened to him. Sadly I cannot see another of his ilk in anywhere in the Israelie system. Shimon Peres was the nearest but his time is past.
Am I right in thinking that things always get nasty in the middle east when the Americans are in their transition stage between presidents; didn’t it happen 4 years ago?
“If somebody was sending rockets into my house, where my two daughters sleep at night, I’m going to do everything in my power to stop that.”
“In terms of negotiations with Hamas, it is very hard to negotiate with a group that is not representative of a nation-state, does not recognise your right to exist, has consistently used terror as a weapon and is deeply influenced by other countries.”
Is Obama’s stance on this. hes clear sighted enough to see it exactly how it is and knows where the problem is. Anyone expecting him to take a Livingstone/Galloway/Iranian position on this is off their head frankly
Is there not a problem that people are afraid to citicize the Israelis for fear of being thought of as agreeing with the events of 70 years ago; does it not make it difficult to look at the whole situation objectively…?
A fat, self satisfied Sharon watching from his fooftop command post as the Phalange murder the local school run is as repulsive to me as the acts of genocide commited by the Hussein, Milosoviec, or Karadic regimes.
The difference? Well, you tell me.
Sharon, is a war criminal and the Isrealis did carry out an act of genocide in the Lebannon in the early eighties. The difference is is there is no will to make these people pay for their crimes. No wonder the Arabs hate them.
Do they hate Assad and Syria because he killed 25000 in one long attcak? Do they hate hussein who killed any number of arabs? shall we go on? They seem to hate the fact that he was deposed more than for any genocide that he carried out (marsh arabs and kurds would testify)
if the jews had not killed one single arab over the past 50 years the islamists would still hate them because that is what they are taught to do. Fundamentalist Islam is a deeply bigoted and racist "religion". There is no disputing that
And that belief predates any formation of the israeli state and easily predates anything hat occured in Lebanon
I ******* HATE, repeat ******* HATE state sponsored lies.
.We have enough of them Firefox. Our own Secretary Of State For Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs has come out with some shocking stuff in relation to retaliation for a murder (allegedly overseen by Iraqi Police ie. those who our troops are there to back) and the following events.
It’s a video I’ve seen on the internet (courtesy of my girlfriend who treated someone who it was possible would end up in a similar situation).
I can tell you now I’ll never forget what I saw and tbh I think about that particular girl every day.
I really hope that Hamas and the Israeli government can sort something out very soon
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