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Meant Omagh (not Armagh) in earlier post.<br>Grasshopper – you’re a pinko-lefty.<br>SteveDG, GH, Maxilon – fair comment uniforms etc.<br>So in effect, it’s okay for terrorists / the underdog to kill civilians but not the conventional army / odds-on fav.<br>
The point I was trying to make is that their viewpoint carries just as much weight as your own.
Point taken GH. (I may have touched on this in an earlier post when mentioning Israeli atrocities against the Brits in the ’50s – when they hardly played by Marquis of Queensbury rules.) If I failed to make this clear earlier in response to your posts it’s probably because I started off intending to acknowledge this but, as often happens, went off at a tangent and forget to.<br>It’s due to a combination of old-age and lack of sleep.<br> <br>And, whilst they (Hezbollah, Shia/Muslim extremists) are – as you say – entitled to their opinion, and hold them as earnestly and sincerely as those who disagree with them – they are wrong.<br>
The average guy in Lebanon might well consider Israel (and thus the USA) wrong, but there again, the average German was prepared to believe Hitler was right in the ’30’s. And there are many in this country today who espouse communism/socialism :shocked: .  Just because people hold an opinion sincerely, doesn’t mean that others can’t say they’re wrong holding that opinion. (Although I wouldn’t fancy my chances of airing an opinion contrary to those ruling in Iran/North Korea/ China/Cuba Zimbabwe: as reasonable a test of a regimes "rightness" as I can think of off hand).<br>There were those in Lebanon, cabinet ministers & Mr Average who had no time for Hezbollah and could see that Hezbollah were no friend of the Lebanese. Many who held that opinion may have modified it now if they consider Israels’ reaction "over-the-top", but they know that  Hezbollah are just as much "baddies" in this as the Israelis. That’s not a view that ITN and the popular media make much attempt to put across though.<br>
(Edited by insomniac at 6:47 pm on Aug. 2, 2006)
Gerry McDonnell over at PP  has flagged up some vintage footage of George Galloway in action on Sky News. Well worth watching even if  you find him obnoxious.
<br>http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,31200-galloway_060806,00.html
Blimey.
Not a fan of Galloway in general, but Galloway in particular can be very effective.
So who are the baddies, Israel or Hezbollah?
Sorry if you’re all overdosed on Israel/Lebanon/Hezbollah/Iran/Middle East but some might find this interesting.
(Edited by insomniac at 6:31 pm on Aug. 7, 2006)
In the words of Yasser Arafat ;"All I wanted was my house back."
I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysHere’s one.
Israel to be shutdown forthwith and the population moved lock stock to the USA so they can all be buddies together.
Here’s another, and this one will solve many issues worldwide, not just the middle east.
Religion (that is ALL religions) to be accepted as the pish and nonsense that they clearly all are. There is no God, no Jesus, no Allah, no Mohammed, no Buddah, no Jehovah, no catholics, no protestants, no christians, no jews, no muslims, no hindus, no scientology etc etc whoever you worship doesnt exist and never did in the form you were led to believe. Get over it, there is only the measurable scientific world, life and death. Once you die, your dead, you’re not going to heaven, not going to an afterlife to be seviced by virgins and nymphs, neither are you going to hell so don’t worry about that.
Religion has been invented by a weak minded human race to help them cope with the harsh realities of life. It’s a mere placebo.
Religion consigned to the dustbin = a more harmonious world. OK, you would still get the odd cross border scuffle but at least that is black and white not the blur that is religious conflict.
Ah, I feel better having solved the problems of the world in the space of 10 mins. :cool:
By jove Jamie you’re probably right! Religion’s got a lot to answer for.<br>Maybe another scenario would be for the USA, the West and Asia to find their own vast oil supplies or alternative energy form so that the price of oil plummets. This might stymie the mad-mullahs spending on weaponry (especially nuclear weapons). (Although they’d probably get EU funding for it !) The natives would then get browned-off with their rulers inability to manage economies once the safety-blanket of oil revenues had been removed. They’d overthrow them, introduce democracy and maybe, just maybe, contribute to the progress of mankind to some extent for the first time in 500 or so years.<br>Or perhaps Scottish Jamie’s answer is the more likely.
The problem with banning religion is that it is only a ‘front’ for power-mongers who want to muscle in on other folks patches. We know this with the carry on in Northern Ireland with the IRA/UVF gangsters of our own.
I think moving Isreal to the US would be a good idea, I would imagine they could afford to buy a big bit of Mexico for a song.
Non-Christian religions have not gone through ‘The Age of Reason’ yet. Until they do they will continue to stagger through a sort of medieval half-life like we did before we had ours. On the other hand they will have to accept that their religion will go into terminal decline the same as ours has and that there is no after-life, no Virgins waiting, no reward for the good or punishment for the bad, just this as it is now and always will be forever ..
As for fixing the Middle East, I reckon there are a few options,<br>1. Move Isreal .. 14/1<br>2. Move all the Arabs .. 6/1<br>3. Kill all the Arabs .. 5/2<br>4. Conquer all of the Arab countries and take the oil off them .. 10/11<br>:cheesy:
there are a few options,
1. Move Isreal .. 14/1 <br>2. Move all the Arabs .. 12/1 <br>3. Kill all the Arabs .. 6/1 <br>4. Conquer all of the Arab countries and take the oil off them .. 3/1
5. Try to conquer all of the Arab countries and take their oil but fail and end up getting ourselves in a lot of trouble .. 1/2
As a sensible first step we might start by recognising that Hamas are a duly elected governement in Palestine.<br>The West used to regard Arafat as the problem and after his death encouraged local elections in the belief that Abbas would get in. He did not and we must move on from there and recognise the aspirations of the community who elected Hamas
Once Hamas are recognised the israelis should be leant on to release from jail the 30 MP’s and 10 cabinet ministers they have seized in recent weeks.
I am tempted to suggest that a UN convened conference on the boundaries for Palestine should be held. It is absolutely ridiculous that Israel should feel it lies in their sole gift to determine these matters. agreement.
Unfortunately the USA has vetoed 11 resolutions on this matter in the last 25 years and of those resolutions they have let through the israelis are in breach of +/- 41.
The way we are proceeding Hezbollah will come to elected power in Lebanon and the World’s failure to recognise the aspirations of another community will merely start the cycle of violence yet again.
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