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    clivexx
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    8)

    #17665
    andyod
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    After opening today’s(Sunday) New York Times I went immediately to the Middle East section.To read about the Arab uprising. Imagine my amazement to find these amongst the first five headlines.

    1 Israel spoof of Quddaffi finds friends in Arab world.

    2 Israel panel finds no crime in 2002 Assassination.

    3 Ancient color reclaiming Israeli interest.

    This is the news from the NYT from the middle east on Feb.27 2011!I had minimal interest in all of the above.Am I the only non jew to read this newspaper?
    please tell me, am I missing something?

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    Oi, Vai!! Shlemiel!

    #351503
    andyod
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    Fitzer,What does it mean in gaelic? or Christian? Or Muslim or English? The NY Times is printed in the language of the infidel of which I am one.Although I do know Portnoy or at least suffer from his complaint.

    #352195
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    Good grief! What a simpleton/bungling idiot!

    Its hebrew!!

    Not meant as personal attack on your character, just a joke!! As to say of course Israel and Jewish news is by far the most important as far as the Newyorks Times is concerned. They do after all still control all the money over there, or so I believe!! :lol:

    #352203
    andyod
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    i know I know I know, now I go to Al Jazeera to read how the rest of us poor uncircumsized jerks live.Those poor native american indians.Manifest Destiny was never more clearly demonstrated.Between the white man and the jew the world was carved up.That’s my baby.

    #352462
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    Fitzer1987’s post is Yiddish, not Hebrew. :)

    Israel is one of the US’s most important allies, so naturally it gets more coverage here than overseas.

    New York City has the largest Jewish population of any city outside of Israel. A sign on the Williamsburg Bridge reads "Leaving Brooklyn: Oy Vey!",put up courtesy of the Jewish mayor and burough president. Many Jews do in fact pay close attention to what’s going on with Israel, whether or not we actually agree with that government, and since we own the media (it’s true) Israel stories tend to be bumped further to the top. There’s no conspiracy against the poor uncircumsized jerks :roll: .

    #352465
    andyod
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    After what you say why not print in yiddish? In Yahweh we trust. And save me the propaganda? My beliefs are 180 opposite to what you ascribe to.But one belief is as bad/good as another as long as they are beliefs and not facts I suppose.For the sake of transparency the papers should identify their hidden agenda.Fox is probably as devious as the NYT in that regard.No such thing as true diligence any more amongst reporters.I keep remembering Mrs Marcos. How much does one need to be happy? Shoes,money(Madoff) settlements? So much for the poor and hungry i.e. non friends of the US, non friends of Wall Street, non friends of the rich and famous,displaced on this planet while the rest eat drik and make merry and explain that they are the chosen ones.Read for that excuses.I don’t suppose Al Jazeera has a hidden agenda also? Only the USA could be best friends of Israel and Saudi Arabia at the same time.One has oil the other money(lobby).What a way to pick ones friends.So far has the Christian world drifted to the right in the name of security.

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    After what you say why not print in yiddish?

    In Yahweh we trust

    . And save me the propaganda? My beliefs are 180 opposite to what you ascribe to.But one belief is as bad/good as another as long as they are beliefs and not facts I suppose.For the sake of transparency the papers should identify their

    hidden agenda

    .Fox is probably as devious as the NYT in that regard.No such thing as true diligence any more amongst reporters.I keep remembering Mrs Marcos. How much does one need to be happy? Shoes,money(

    Madoff

    ) settlements? So much for the poor and hungry i.e. non friends of the US, non friends of Wall Street, non friends of the rich and famous,displaced on this planet while the rest

    eat drik and make merry and explain that they are the chosen ones

    .Read for that excuses.I don’t suppose Al Jazeera has a hidden agenda also? Only the USA could be best friends of Israel and Saudi Arabia at the same time.One has oil

    the other money(lobby)

    .What a way to pick ones friends.So far has the Christian world drifted to the right in the name of security.

    That entire post seriously rubs me the wrong way. I’m not one to cry anti-Semitism at every little thing, but implying that the Jews secretly control the banks and the government is a very short leap from talking about the Elders of Zion.

    For the record, I can’t stand Netanyahu and the right-wing nutjobs who have taken control in Israel (and the US, for that matter). I think the land rightfully belongs to the Palestinians. I still care about what goes on there because I have relatives who live there. I also care about the revolutions going on across the Arab world, which is why I read the New York Times. They have devoted a lot of space in the paper to that issue, more space than they give to anything Israel-related.

    The NYT has no hidden agenda-they report what news is most relevant to their readers. If you bothered to read the articles you’d know that they are not in support of either side! Why are you complaining about 3 relatively innocuous headlines out of several on a single given day?

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    Whoever controls the banks I don’t know. But who controls the Gov. should be obvious to anyone.No other way we give billions to Israel under the counter with the pretext that it not be used to build a wall. Money that not even the US congress can vote on.How about that.No other way we protect israel at the UN so that nothing negative can be said about them.If that is not controlling the Gov. what is? If that is anti israel so be it . I am also anti Saudi Arabia for a hundred reasons,including the way they treat women.I am also anti Africans who mutilate their women.I disagree with my taxes going to support either the vatican with their tax free empire here in the US or Israel building a nuclear fortress in the Sinai.As for the elders of zion I know nothing about them and I don’t believe that the past should be repeated but learned from.I pointed out that the main headlines in the NYT were as I stated. If that makes me anti anything it is anti brainwashing.So I am against /anti many things including many things you mention. But it seems the only wrong anti is Zionism dressed up as Judeism. Seems like anti settlements is anti israel, anti nuclear weapons in the Sinai is anti israel anti prisoner of war type camps in the desert is anti Israel. Sorry but sometimes it is OK for even non jews to be anti israel. It is not just the privelege of the Jews to be anti Jew or anti whatever Netanyahu is.By the way I don’t expect you or anyone to cry anti anything at every little thing but the big things need to be explained before we can go on to claim honesty and objectivity.

    #352492
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    andyod

    your various posts on Sunnis, the UAE, Saudi, Bahrain, Israel, US policy in the Middle East, consistently put you in the same camp as Iran and various Iranian proxies like Hezbollah in Lebanon, the Shi’ites in Iraq and in the Gulf States (Saudi, Bahrain, Kuwait, etc.)

    so do you support Persian domination over the Arabs and their Western allies in the Middle East ?

    that’s the real battle-line out there today.

    wit

    #352511
    andyod
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    I believe that the real battle is between freedom versus subjugation, ignorance versus the right to know,dignity versus sexual harassment of women and children,men versus women, that the fruit of the earth belongs to all and should not have to be faught for between peoples; that slavery is a crime and like all crimes those who practice it should be punished.I believe in mans right to seek happiness,but not at the expense of others,I suppose I have other beliefs which remain acknowledged in action but not specific.Now you decide what side that puts me on.

    #352562
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    The Independent.

    By Jody McIntyre
    The Foreign Desk
    Thursday, 28 April 2011 at 1:41 pm

    Divide and conquer. One of the oldest methods of colonialist powers. Sow seeds of division amongst the people you are there to “civilise”, in order to weaken their resistance against your occupation of their land.

    Since 2006, when democratic elections in Palestine led to the victory of Hamas, and the subsequent US-backed Fatah attempted coup to overthrow them, the two main Palestinian factions have been in conflict, with Hamas taking control of the Gaza Strip, and the Fatah-dominated Palestinian Authority, who’s “authority” is questionable at best, taking control of the West Bank. East Jerusalem, the capital of any future Palestinian state according to international law, and pre-1948 Palestine remain under Israeli occupation.

    This week, Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu confirmed his position on the division between the two parties by saying, “The Palestinian Authority must choose either peace with Israel or peace with Hamas.” The Israeli government know that far more dangerous than Hamas, who they never miss an opportunity to denounce as a terrorist organisation bent on their destruction, whilst ignoring the fact that the State of Israel is based on wiping Palestine off the map, would be a unified Palestinian government capable of representing all of the Palestinian people; Palestinians living in Gaza, in Jerusalem, in the West Bank, inside pre-1948 Palestine and the millions of refugees living across the world.

    The US government, under the guise of peace-broker, continue to play the role of bank-roller to the Israeli state. After claiming to support moves towards Palestinian reconciliation, a spokesman added, “Hamas, however, is a terrorist organisation which targets civilians. Any Palestinian government must renounce violence and recognise Israel’s right to exist if it is to play a constructive role.” Why is there no call for any Israeli government to renounce violence, and recognise Palestine’s right to exist? The answer is simple; Israel is a colonialist state, backed with billions of US dollars every year.

    The reconciliation between the two political factions will be welcomed by huge swathes of Palestinian society, however, it has come about after much pressure from below. Recent demonstrations in Ramallah calling for unity were cracked down upon by Palestinian Authority security forces, who seem to act as secondary occupation-enforcer in the West Bank, whilst similar demonstrations in Gaza were also deemed unwelcome by Hamas security forces, who first attempted to co-opt the protests into support for themselves, and then opted for repression.

    A Facebook group entitled “May 15 – Palestinian Third Intifada” was recently deleted by the website after attracting over 300,000 members, but you cannot delete an idea. On May 15th, the date Palestinians commemorate as al-Nakba, or “the catastrophe”, to mark the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who were expelled from their land in 1948, Palestinian youth organisations, inspired by the revolutions in Tunisia and Egypt, have called for further demonstrations in an attempt to overcome the occupation of their land. The future is in their hands, not in the hands of political leaders on either side of the divide.
    Tagged in: gaza, Netanyahu, Palestine

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