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  • #1451094
    Coggy
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    There is a 6 runner Group 3 race in Ireland tomorrow at 6.15 that is a St.Leger Trial.
    I am not implying that anything is inappropriate.
    However all 6 runners are trained by either Aidan or Joseph O’ Brien.
    Is that what we really want to see ?

    #1451284
    IanDavies
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    The overall Coolmore domination is such that they are providing most of the runners for various pattern races, partly because I think the will to take them on is diminishing.

    The Derby this year is a perfect example.

    Coolmore have a skilful knack of retaining the cream of the stock they breed and I would imagine the global pool they sell into, if not diminishing, isn’t getting any bigger.

    #1451287
    potato
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    I don’t want to see it happen but bearing that in mind it is up to me to train and own a racehorse and put it in the race and take on the family.

    If I don’t do that then I have no ground to blame any trainer who has also not put a horse in the race and taken them on.

    It is as it is there will always be somebody who is at the top of the food chain. That’s the great white shark in the ocean and the o’briens in Irish flat racing.

    Every now and again everyone will be scared off by the predator but at other times they will come and play and some times David will beat goliath.

    #1451298
    Dahlia1973
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    Not quite like Michael Dickinson though with the first 5 in the ’83 Chelt Gold Cup.

    #1451314
    GingertipsterGingertipster
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    O’Brien’s dominate the staying breeding division so this is going to happen from time to time. Could even get worse as although Galileo’s time is limited, his two sons Australia and Camelot look strong staying influences.

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    #1472222
    KrisKris
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    I see that Aidan O’Brien has 11 of the 12 remaining entries for The Futurity Trophy on Saturday.

    I know that this will probably correct itself over time, but it does take the shine off just a little from what is one of my favourite races of the year.

    #1472224
    jackh1092jackh1092
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    Aidan is prepared to run his horses far more than any other trainer. We see it in Ireland when he dominates group races numbers wise + now we are seeing it in England too.

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    #1472229
    KevMcKevMc
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    Mark Johnston would say otherwise Jack ;-)

    #1472231
    Kristaltips
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    @Gingertipster Camelot isn’t by Galileo, he’s by Montjeu.

    #1472232
    cormack15cormack15
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    11 of the 12 in the Futurity. I don’t think I can remember a domination of entries like that in the UK for a group one race. Will end up, you would expect, with maybe five running. We could still see a top class horse(s) in all probability but it does take a bit of gloss off the race.

    #1472233
    ham
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    I dont see it as a negative towards obrien in the vertem, its a massive negative to the british scene, where did taking a chance with a 2yo go? I mean aidens hardly dominating the 2yo season this year is he? Why isnt there a few group 2 types being thrown in at this with the idea of just collecting prize money? Crazy, if obrien wasnt there what would have happened to this race, its hardly like he has a “pinatubo” everyones running from… crazy stuff

    #1472234
    jackh1092jackh1092
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    I dont see it as a negative towards obrien in the vertem
    I don’t see much negativity towards AOB – just to the British trainers tbh.

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    #1472235
    jackh1092jackh1092
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    I dont see it as a negative towards obrien in the vertem
    I don’t see much negativity towards AOB – just to the British trainers tbh.

    It really doesn’t help that the best British trainer doesn’t hold 2yo races in the same regard as some- John Gosden. PS i think he’s a fantastic trainer + am not necessarily against the way he trains them, as the blossom brilliantly with his training. The rest need to catch up.

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    #1472236
    moehat
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    Out of interest are the O’Brien horses bred by Coolmore or is it just that Coolmore are very good at knowing which Galileo’s are worth purchasing as yearlings etc.

    #1472238
    LD73
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    Was hoping to see Juan Elcano in this race as he has been crying out for this trip ever since his debut win over 7F on heavy ground at Haydock, so unless he is injured it is disapointing that he has not been declared.

    In general this situation is not on AOB, more of an enditment to other trainers as I find it hard to believe none of them have a staying type 2yr old suitable to run in this race and it is not as if going into the race AOB has a red hot favourite that people want to avoid either.

    Feel a bit sorry for the sponsors that whilst they may get a decent field size it is not going to be asdiverse a feild as you would expect.

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