Is this a valid bet?

[del_boy]

I put this bet on earlier at my local Mark Jarvis:

PDC Premier League Darts 2013:

Phil Taylor to beat Andy Hamilton
Phil Taylor to beat Raymond Van Barneveld
Michael Van Gerwen to beat Raymond Van Barneveld
Michael Van Gerwen to beat Adrian Lewis

(Accumulator)

The two players I have selected are each playing twice tonight. According to the lady behind the counter, I cannot put these in a bet where the same player is covered twice. I argued that they are separate matches despite being the same player, and she reluctantly put the bet on. She said it would be like betting a horse and putting it twice in a double. However, if they are different matches, is there a problem?

Thanks,
del_boy

[Nathan Hughes]

Should be fine try it with a bigger firm.

Charles Darwin to conquer the World

[Drone]

If you didn’t take prices I can’t see the problem but I can understand the reluctance if prices were taken as this falls under the ‘related contingency’ rule due to the result in the first game influencing chance in the second game

Say Gerwen wins to nil against Barneveld demonstrating exceptional accuracy, then of course his odds would tumble against Lewis: or conversely lengthen if he’s stuffed by Barneveld

This is just the reason why you won’t be laid a full-cover double on a horse to win two races.

e.g 5/1 to win the Guineas, 5/1 to win the Derby. You would not be laid the 36/1 double to win both as a win in the Guineas influences chance (odds) in the Derby

[Marginal Value]

Well done, Drone

I had just drafted out a verbose reply involving the darts example; and then added Dawn Approach’s odds for the Guineas and Derby, and their not being mutally exclusive events, blah, blah, etc.

Your reply had the great advantage of being full, succinct and fast.

[betlarge]

It’s a bit of a strange one that. As has been said, there is obviously a contingent element to it but certainly not as much as the sort of "Rooney to score first, Utd to win" or ‘Horse to win 2000 Guineas & Derby" type bets where the success of the first part has a marked effect on the price of part two.

What you have is the unusual situation of two players playing twice in an evening but freak results excepted, the likelihood is that prices would be more or less stay the same. Using Drone’s example, MVG could also get thrashed in his first match in which case the price change would favour the layer.

Providing it wasn’t for thousands, Betlarge’s Betting Emporium (Turf Accountants to the Gentry) would probably take the bet as written.

Mike

[del_boy]

Aah i see. I didn’t know that about taking the prices etc. The lady behind the counter wrote the prices on my slip, as apparently the results don’t come through with prices or something, just the scores of the matches. I should really stop going in there, as it is not making an effort to keep up with modern bets. Most of the time they have to ring head office for prices on bets like darts etc.

Thanks for all the replies anyway.
del_boy

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