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I take your point Frank….
The weekend stuff is exciting but is it fair…that the midweek punter has to put up with cheating just because its aw dross.
Another thing…how do timeform/atr/ruk presenters get the will to go in and watch such garbage and then try and not to say anything nasty when their is cheating everywhere.
Matt Chapman for all his faults is superb in giving just critique of a race. His tirade against a irish apprentice was fully justified as he stopped a horse yet Chapman gets a massive ban from atr for rocking the boat
Did Chapman get a suspension from the channel? How do you hear about these things?
Cheltenhamspecialist also posted a profit winning streak of selections in the daily lays and plays, he hasnt been around for a while so I hope he’s OK. He said something about health problems…
I bet on horse racing because it’s the sport I enjoy watching the most.
If you’re a punter and you can say to yourself, ‘I enjoy watching horse racing’ then you’re going to have to take the rough with the smooth.
If you’re a punter who can’t say that to themsleves, then I think you’re doing it for the wrong reasons.
And everything else is just (expletive)
(This post comes with a very big IN MY OPINION considering I tend to support horses at low grade as someone would support a football team, whether betting money on them or not)
Cheltenhamspecialist also posted a profit winning streak of selections in the daily lays and plays, he hasnt been around for a while so I hope he’s OK. He said something about health problems…
Where did Chelters mention health problems Seven? Poor buggers probably lying in some hospital wondering why nobody on here has asked about him!
Harry Findlay said once "i have lost more on horses than i have won".
No surprise there then
The beginning of wisdom is silence
"Did Chapman get a suspension from the channel? How do you hear about these things?"
Chapman went missing for more than a month after his tirdade. It was generally accepted that he was not allowed to present on the channel for the forseeable future. He gives plenty of hints during his broadcasting as-well this had happened. The funny thing was that horse bolted up next time out
.Also i do find it quite easy to turn say 50 quid into 300 quid in 2 days on Horse Racing but then i blow it when i get on a losing run. The simple fact that people say their is too much horse horse racing and i agree with them. The whole thing is becoming a bit diluted in quality terms.
I going to have to adjust to watchin the sport i love with no financial interest what so ever from now on
There is far too much dross.
But just take no notice of the poor quality stuff and concentrate on the better races/horses, like I do.Value Is EverythingFairly good advice Id say from Ginger , although you could take it a step further and dont bet on any Uk racing for a spell and then decide if you want to become involved again
But here;s a clue unless the prize pool is 20k , leave it
cheers
Ricky
1 Favorite from Wolves 7 races won today at 11/4.
3 odds on beaten at wolves
4 favorites in the first 3 in 7 races at wolves
AW just is the ultimate mug betting if you don’t have the inside scope or even if you dont its still crap
Compared to NH today
5 favorites in 7 races at Carlisle
3 favorites in 6 races at Southwell
AW just is the ultimate mug betting if you don’t have the inside scope or even if you dont its still crap
Such was the track/pace bias at Wolves today, you could have backed confirmed hold up horses blindly and cleaned up.
A tremendous betting medium.
I dont have the inside scoop just like racing yet my only bet of the day was on Conry (that only fav at wolves), hardly mug punter and anyone who backs odds on in a claimer or against unexposed horses in a nursery deserves all they get
Is it just me or…? I don’t want to be betting on racing where the favourite comes in 5 times out of 7 or even 3 times out of six. I’ve no interest in prohibitively short prices.
More than that, if your measure of whether a bet is worthwhile is the medium of the race (NH, turf or all weather) & the percentage of favourites that win on it, you are going to get turned over.
Backing a favourite for that & no other reason without putting the work in is the very definition of mug betting & the bookies bread & butter.
No Mugs are for tea and coffee, Horse race betting is for people who think they have knowledge and ability to select a winnerbased on the evaluation of form,going,trip, trainer,jockey and the formula to beat the bookie, and then there are those who have a system, and make steady not large profits until they get over confident and the system beats them.
AW just is the ultimate mug betting if you don’t have the inside scope or even if you dont its still crap
Such was the track/pace bias at Wolves today, you could have backed confirmed hold up horses blindly and cleaned up.
A tremendous betting medium.
Which specific race/races did this formula apply to mate if ya don’t mind me asking? Can’t for the life of me work out what you’re saying?
I’ve quickly gone through each race after the first (which the favourite won) and looked back at the history of the race winner and of the unplaced favourite through the Sporting Life results and the in race comments…
Race 2
Won by a 20/1 outsider who’s main comment in it’s majority of previous runs reads ‘tracked leaders’. The favourite who finished 3rd however had the words ‘held up’ or ‘in rear’ in each of it’s last 8 runs.
Race 3
5/1 winner who in each of it’s first 6 races was a combination of ‘tracked leaders’, ‘in touch’, ‘with leader’, ‘chased leader’ and only recieved an ‘in rear’ comment in it’s last run. The beaten on odds favourite however had been either ‘held up’ or ‘in rear’ in 3 of it’s last 4 runs.
Race 4
4/1 winner only had 3 runs before this and had comment ‘tracked leaders’ in all 3 races. Beaten odds on favourite had only had 2 runs previous and was similar comments both races in ‘chased leaders’.
Race 5
16/1 winner which was a ‘hold up’ horse and running off it’s lowest ever mark, maybe entitled to go close on a few snippets of form, but hard to fancy over quite a few others. At least 3 or 4 ‘hold up’ horses you could easily have picked on form before winner.
Race 6
Odds on favourite leads and gets turned over, new tactics though as the horse didn’t lead in any of it’s previous 3 runs!
Race 7
Beaten favourite a confirmed ‘hold up’ horse, while winner is only having it’s 2nd ever run so couldn’t be classed as a confirmed ‘hold up’ horse.
Not trying to be funny or anything like that mate because to me you’re in the top 3 or 4 posters on here who I take serious note of when you post things. Just can’t understand where you’re coming from with those comments.
The odds are certainly stacked against you, that’s for sure. Even in an 8 runner field you only have a 12.5% chance of finding the winner, while if you look at smaller fields the odds on your winning selection almost inevitably decrease. I’d also agree that with so many variables it is often difficult to see the wood from the trees. I’ve read plenty of books on the subject and looked at thousands of races over the last ten years but I can’t really say I understand the game all that much better than I did at the start, certainly as far as striking winning bets on a regular basis goes anyway. I’m pretty sure if I’d studied chess with the same devotion I’d have made far more progress than I have with racing ; it just doesn’t seem to reward the time and effort one puts into it.
bluebock
The odds are certainly stacked against you ….. I’ve read plenty of books on the subject and looked at thousands of races over the last ten years but I can’t really say I understand the game all that much better
You will probably be advised that
if only
you read the form book correctly, and took into account the going, track, distance of race, trainer, owner, jockey, pattern of runs, length of absence off track, age and fitness of horse, time of year, etc., etc., ….
you
can make a reliable profit at betting.
Problem is, when a discussion arises on this forum over a particular horse, there seem to so many different formbooks with conflicting information in each.
You need only look at Zamorsten’s reply to Cavelino Rampante’s post for confirmation.
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