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Is it possible to elaborate on what was said without giving their names away, Jeremy?
Value Is Everythingone of the biggest reasons is that most of them seem to be about black people.
I think that may have been true in the 20th Century, not the 21st.
Value Is EverythingSteve, if you chilled out and put down the defensive ‘them vs us’ mentality you might understand what Cormack is saying.
WTF?
I am simply saying that if there isn’t an interest from certain areas of society in becoming involved in the Industry, then why should anyone be accusing the business of being racist and then shouting about ways to get certain ethnic groups involved for reasons that can only be to tick boxes and wave the data into faces and “Prove” that the business isn’t racist.
There’s an awful lot more to worry about, Racism wise, than how it looks within the Racing Industry to outsiders looking in.
Show me where interested ethnically diverse applicants are being routinely spurned time after time and I might then feel there is a problem. It is what it is as far as I am concerned and we have have already seen on this forum how some take every opportunity to throw the “Racist” accusation at the tiniest suggestion.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
“Black” can be a catch-all term for other races.
Most of us probably had our first experiences of “Racism” from the USA and the way that black people were treated there long after slavery was abolished. There is so much more coverage of that particular country and it’s history than anywhere else. TV and film, both fact and fiction has focused so much more on the USA than anywhere else.
People forget that slavery was and still is manifest in so many more countries and involving so many more skin colours than just black. Even whites are enslaved to this day, many in the sex industry and many of them still children.
A bit of perspective would not go amiss from those taking offence on behalf of call centre workers whom they have never met and no absolutely nothing about, not one iota.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
As an exercise to internationalise this debate, couple of rewrites of the opening post:
a) social justice warrior in Tokyo:
Christophe Lemaire’s win in last week’s classic [Oka Sho – Japanese 1,000 Guineas] had me wondering why there are so few white people in racing. If you visit a racecourse the participants and spectators are almost exclusively Japanese.
Why is that? Is it just simply that there is no interest in the sport among young white people? If so, what is racing doing about that? Is there any strategy in place to examine or address this?
It seems like an elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about or even acknowledge.
[ There are currently two JRA-fully-licensed jockeys (ie not on short-term visit) who are not Japanese – Christophe Lemaire and Mirco Demuro. They are runaway leaders of the jockey table. Other than Joao Moreira (Brazil) there are no plans for any other non-Japanese jockey. There is currently one female jockey, Nanako Fujita.]
b) social justice warrior in HK :
William Buick’s win in last week’s G1 Audemars Piguet QE II Cup had me wondering why there are so few Chinese people at the top end of HK racing. If you visit a racecourse the participants and spectators are 95 per cent Chinese but this is simply not reflected in distribution of the top races.
White people are flown in to ride the top horses when there are plenty of licensed Chinese jockeys available. Why is that? Is it just simply that there is no interest in the sport among enough young Chinese people? If so, what is racing doing about that? Is there any strategy in place to examine or address this?
It seems like an elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about or even acknowledge.
[ There is an a two-tier system of licensing in HK – with the Chinese on the lower tier both as jockeys and as trainers when it comes to distribution of the majority of best horses/ major races (Tony Cruz the exception that proves the rule):
http://racingnews.hkjc.com/english/2018/06/08/licensing-committee-decisions-4/
There is currently no female jockey.]
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in truth, while the approaches by JRA and HKJC differ, they are both aimed at trying to build up to international standards the abilities of ethnic Japanese / Chinese trainers and jockeys – ie increase racial diversity at the top table by learning domestically from those of other races currently more accomplished in modern horse racing.
with the best will in the world, it seems – QED- a slow process, likely generational.
There is little point in encouraging or tempting people of any demographic into racing; if they want to do it they will. If people don’t have the desire to do the job without encouragement then they should not be in it. They will not enjoy it and the job will not benefit from a dedicated and useful person.
if they want to do it they will
I think the point is Greektown, many ethnic minorities don’t do things they want to purely because they don’t feel welcome and/or feel out of place. That’s not to say they would not be welcome, it’s just they don’t think they’ll be welcomed. Therefore if “Racing” can make an effort to ensure they’ll feel welcome it could result in more ethnic minorities going racing etc.
Value Is EverythingNo, it’s inverted Racism to assume you will not be welcome. That is the “Coloured” person assuming that ALL whites are racist and will not treat them fairly.
If someone has a true passion for something, they will not let paranoid thoughts spoil there chance to live out their dream job. If that is the case then they are better out of the job anyway and leave someone with more courage and determination to take the job. A candidate with an open mind who has not pre-judged his/her possible future colleagues is more likely to be the better fit for the job.
You were right the first time Greektown. They say a volunteer is worth ten pressed men.
I have yet to see any evidence of the supposed racism in the Racing Industry and it’s nonsense to accept that someone can use an excuse for not applying for a job, which is based on the fact that they might not be made to feel welcome. White people can just as easily be made to feel unwelcome in a job and it may simply be because they are a pain in the arse to work with.
I reckon the bigger picture needs looked at, rather than playing join the dots and adding dots yourself to form the path you think it should cover.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Steve you’re a bad racist and you’re making it clearer with every post. Calling someone coloured, is white not a colour?
Nobody is accusing people (in racing, not this forum) of racism , rather more that we need to encourage diverse groups into racing. Be that Africans, Asians, gays or transgenders. Lee Mottershead, a well known journalist and gay, has stated this himself several times over that his group is far less represented than should be.
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No, it’s inverted Racism to assume you will not be welcome. That is the “Coloured” person assuming that ALL whites are racist and will not treat them fairly.
This can work both ways. There’s places where I live and I presume over much of the country where whites would think I’m not going there, I won’t be welcome.
Could Moderators please remove Kev McNally’s rant which accuses me of being a “Bad Racist”
This is inaccurate and offensive information.
Being called something like that is well beyond “Banter”
You wouldn’t walk up to someone in a bar and call them that and if you did you might find out that the ratio of teeth to brain cells was somewhat reduced.
Thank you.
Some people
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Homer, it does work both ways and it doesn’t help people to integrate when they stick to their own race only. An effort needs to be made to trust people and give them the chance to dispel pre-conceived ideas.
Racism either exists or it doesn’t, trying to encourage certain races into the industry smacks of trying to amass figures that can “Prove that racism doesn’t exist” rather than that there is actually a scenario where loads of people are genuinely interested but are being discriminated against.
It’s the same with sexuality. Is there a figure where a certain “Discrimination” against Homosexuals ceases to exist because the ratio is “Acceptable”
Lee Mottershead thinks his “Group” are underrepresented. What is this based on? Does he have a lot of friends who have tried to get into the industry but have been rejected based on their sexual orientation, or is the fact that not many Homosexual people have been interested enough?
Racing is a Marmite sport, it usually interests most people to a large degree or leaves them totally cold. Most of the punters in your average betting shop would not be interested beyond placing bets anyway.
Prove it is inherently Racist or just accept that it is what it is would be my approach.
Racism is alive and well in this country and I have been doing my best to change that attitude with next to no success in my home county. People are just not interested in learning what I have had to say about social history regarding the treatment of black people in the USA, where the first openly aggressive mocking of black people took place way beyond the days of slavery and where their is still unrest to this day.
People don’t care about learning. They would rather shut the door and put the X-Factor on or watch an episode of Bake Off.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Very childish to state my wrong name and then as good as dish out a threat. Who’s the offensive poster now? Alas, just your standard position when people come back at you.
It’s the cats I feel sorry for.
No, it’s inverted Racism to assume you will not be welcome. That is the “Coloured” person assuming that ALL whites are racist and will not treat them fairly.
No, it’s no such thing, Steve. Who said anything about “ALL whites”? Am sure they know most whites/racegoers will welcome them. However, if they think (and it only has to be “think” (it doesn’t need to actually be true)) – if they think a significant minority will not be welcoming then they won’t feel welcome, won’t go racing/come in to our sport… And therefore we should do all we can to make them feel welcome.
Yes, am sure there are areas/places where whites feel unwelcome and where that is the case an effort should be made by others to make them/us welcome. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t bother making them feel welcome at the races. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
I do not think you are racist at heart, Steve; but some of your views imo lack an understanding of what some people face. Therefore those views can come across as being racist.
Value Is EverythingHere in lies the problem, people(posters) like stevecaution put up differing views to the PC brigade and get labelled racist(or his views are of that nature)
I trained many kids(boxing) from all differing backgrounds/creeds, loved them all, but it does slightly p+ss me off with all this lets get more ethnics into this that and the other. If they are truly interested in the sport/pastime they will turn up and be welcomed
On the BBC website today
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/clip/a3e9e594-139a-4e81-bd3e-638c7006c4f6
Why the concern about ‘under representation’?
Generally speaking, British Asians, like their kin on the Subcontinent, aren’t interested in football: simple
Does it matter? Nope
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