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Did some of the people who are commenting with weird theories about looking behind actually watch it when Boycie went through it frame by frame after it happened? He lost an iron (it was very clearly visible on ATR today when they showed it, circled it, zoomed in on it) he looked down to fix it, the horse jinked, he went out the side door. No more, no less. It was not jockey error!
Things did not work out as expected in the two divisions of the novice hurdle at Leicester on Tuesday, with Lord Liath finding one too good and Invictus, who started long odds-on to confirm Plumpton debut promise, unseating Choc Thornton when coming to win his race between the last two flights.
It was a freak accident which caused Choc to lose an iron, giving him no chance of retaining the partnership,
and, while Invictus, who is undoubtedly one of our most promising novices, will, hopefully, soon erase the memory of his Oadby visit, Alan is looking to Araldur to put us back on track in the opener at Huntingdon today.
Alan said: “Araldur is the biggest horse in the yard and he will go back over fences next season, but he ran really well to finish second to Frascati Park at Leicester last month – his first race since May – so we are hoping that he’ll pick up a novice hurdle or two this season, starting at Huntingdon.”The above is taken from the Alan King website and hopefully will put this to bed.
http://www.alankingracing.co.uk/news/news1.php
Wierd Theories.
We are not the ones that fell off a race horse with respect. Why did he go down and fix the iron…i see jockeys ride bare back with no chance of winning never mind still having a foot in the iron.
What choc did in my opinion was unforgivable. He should have stayed focused on winning the race. Taking your eyes of the prize is not good and his view of the events where absent per usual of a jockey.
Horses jink every day…the jockey was unprepared and in view was at fault.
Even if Alan King is defending his jockey he doesnt give a hoot about the millions up and down the country that were lost on that one error/accident.
You’ve never ridden then. It’s far easier to stay balanced with no irons than one. If you lose an iron you try to get it back, if you can’t then it makes more sense to kick the other one out and ride with no irons – which is what I assume you mean by bare back. He was trying to get it back, as any professional, or indeed amateur jockey, would do but the horse jinked before he could do that.
I dont understand your "stay focussed on the prize"? How can you win the prize if you have only one leg in an iron and a hurdle left to jump. Yes horses jink every day, but staying on board when they do it with only one iron is a very different proposition to when you have two.
Alan King is a horseman so understands, unlike people talking through their pockets who probably never sat on a horse in their lives.
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As I said before, Rich, it’s not immediately obvious from the recording I have that Robert Thornton loses an iron. If irrefutable evidence to the contrary was provided by Sean Boyce then I’m happy to stand corrected in that respect.
However, it’s clear from the frame-by-frame footage that any ‘jink’ prior to Thornton’s departure was minimal at best; the more violent movement was a direct reaction to his dismount.
Just out of interest, which iron did Thornton lose?
Cost me a chunk personally, but it happens, that’s the risk with national hunt racing I guess?
Wierd Theories.
We are not the ones that fell off a race horse with respect. Why did he go down and fix the iron…i see jockeys ride bare back with no chance of winning never mind still having a foot in the iron.
What choc did in my opinion was unforgivable. He should have stayed focused on winning the race. Taking your eyes of the prize is not good and his view of the events where absent per usual of a jockey.
Horses jink every day…the jockey was unprepared and in view was at fault.
Even if Alan King is defending his jockey he doesnt give a hoot about the millions up and down the country that were lost on that one error/accident.
Have you ever ridden a horse in your entire life???!!!!……….This isn’t the first time that you’ve made such judgements/accusations of rides, which to be honest, are way wide of the mark.
Obviously talking through your pocket??!!
Yes i have rode and i can barely stay onboard with 2 feet in the irons going a bit more than a canter.
I didnt back it btw…but i cant get over the hostility to question jockeys. The fact is their professionals doing a job like a soccer player or a rugby player.
The whole idea of critizing these jockeys seem alien to people. Not to me where i believe it is warranted. I maybe competely wrong as it was a freak accident but with my eyes i see different.
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Just out of interest, which iron did Thornton lose?
The fact that you remain in a Cloud of Unknowing about this is significant. You don’t know what happened. You can’t even see what happened, by your own account – and yet despite Sean Boyce’s analysis, Alan King’s statement (not to mention good, old, plain vanilla "benefit of the doubt") you are still inclined to blame the jockey – admittedly
AJ
not so shrilly as others.
Isn’t it time to drop this? Mind you I dimly remember suggesting the same thing about this time yesterday, and the moaning monsoon has if anything been whipped up into an even greater lather of indignation by the trainer’s statement, ATR analysis
et. al.
And then you people wonder why the professional insiders ignore your sanctimonious susurrations.
Did none of you ever read the story about
The Boy Who Cried Wolf
?
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what a soft unseat,
cost a couple of mates 15k today, should of won 10 lengths
Never mind the crap who’s the chick in your avatar?
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It’s Rhona Mitra, Fist.
As for your latest self-righteous vitriol, Pinza, comment on what was written and not what suits your unyielding opinion of those you apparently deem inferior.
Whilst happy to be corrected regarding the loss of an iron, it is the
order of events
that lays the blame squarely at Thornton’s feet. In looking down to regain his footing he becomes unbalanced and it is that that causes Invictus to jink to his right; the horse reacted to the jockey, not the other way around.
It was accidental, but careless nonetheless.
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As for your latest self-righteous vitriol, Pinza, comment on what was written and not what suits your unyielding opinion of those you apparently deem inferior.
To quote a personal hero of mine, Pooh Bah:
"I can’t help it. I was born sneering."
I ask for pity, not blame.To the matter in hand: you wrote that you could not make out what happened and I quoted you, pointing out the consequent illogicality of your smear on Thornton. I also said, to be kind, that I didn’t view you as the most tedious burrower in this mountainous molehill.
What more would you have? Thank you though for having the grace to garnish your own
un
kind opinion of me with "apparently" and "deem".
As for the self-righteousness, pardon me for not joining the TRF Doubting Thomases who refuse to believe anything anyone else says unless they can see it for themselves. Personally, I am happy to bow to the opinion of the Roseblossoms and Rickys, Sean Boyces and Alan Kings who in my superior judgement know what they’re talking about.
I certainly don’t feel the stubborn urge to stick my fingers into the holes of Choc’s tack before believing a word the man says.
It’s Rhona Mitra, Fist.
As for your latest self-righteous vitriol, Pinza, comment on what was written and not what suits your unyielding opinion of those you apparently deem inferior.
Whilst happy to be corrected regarding the loss of an iron, it is the
order of events
that lays the blame squarely at Thornton’s feet. In looking down to regain his footing he becomes unbalanced and it is that that causes Invictus to jink to his right; the horse reacted to the jockey, not the other way around.
It was accidental, but careless nonetheless.
No it was just accidental. That’s what happens when horses go at speed, they are animals of flight and fear and can react extremely quickly, and frankly, violently to the most seemingly mundane and inconsequential situation. You can gallop them down the fast lane of the M6 in the rush hour and they will not bat an eyelid, but see a tiger in a bush that they pass every day. It just happens.
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bbobbell
, wise words. Though you may be wasting your sweetness on the desert air.
In our
Lawyers4U
society, people are constantly nudged into feeling that
somebody
is to blame for
every
misfortune that happens in the world, and that this
somebody
should
pay
.
And if a fine can’t be levied, a torrent of illogical abuse does just as well.
I think the explanation is now entirely clear – it’s the owners.
After Invictus, they had two runners at Musselburgh on Friday, one pulled up and the other finished last.
Then in the first today at Fakenham, they had Line Freedom at 1/10 fav and Andrew Tinkler fell off at the first hurdle.
It’s just a bad week for Mr and Mrs Hughes.
AP
It looked at the time as if he made a complete mess of things and it now transpires that is exactly what happened.
Nice to see Choc’s column finally proving to be of some use.
His column on today’s Racing Post was very refreshing. He sounded genuinely apologetic and as someone who really was bewildered and more notably embarrassed by what has transpired in the race and his subsequent form in the weeks thereafter. Have more respect for the man coming out holding his hands up and saying it was his fault.
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