January 15, 2007 at 02:53 #698
Willoughby pointed to Sunday’s Pierse Hurdle, in which beaten favourite Kendor Dine, a Leopardstown maiden hurdle winner, ran off a mark of 117, while joint top-weight Mister Hight, a Grade 1 winner last season, was rated 130. Willoughby highlighted the 129-rated British juvenile Prince Ary, a Fakenham maiden hurdle winner thrashed at Kempton Sunday, who would have beenjust 1lb shy of top weight had he run in the Pierse off his British mark.
Reacting to those figures, Smith reiterated that every Irish jumper has been handicapped in Britain as well as Ireland for well over a year, meaning that British handicappers now continually assess the two country’s horses on a parallel basis.
As an example, Kendor Dine is rated 128 in Britain, while Mister Hight is 15lb higher in Britain than Ireland with a BHB mark of 145.
<br>I’m not really up to speed with Irish racing and i know maidens/novices are tough to rate, but can someone explain to this budding handicapper how Phil Smith and the BHB warrant rating
Prince Ary 129<br> maiden winner with mainly 60 rated flat horses in behind,
maybe the BHB are using one of those horses as a "yardstick" one of whom was beaten 8 length by a 115 rated hurdler previously
<br>Kendor Dine 128
who probably has a high mark of 117
Maiden winner of a mainly exposed field runners with a 65 flat rated horse beaten 26L in 7th and 91 rated flat horse 33L in 9th
Mister Hight 145,
must have won the worst Graded race i’ve had the pleasure to look at and the 130 rating is probably a couple of pounds too high
Thanks in advance
(Edited by empty wallet at 3:12 am on Jan. 15, 2007)January 15, 2007 at 12:24 #35877doyleyParticipant
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One point I did note yesterday is that the Irish H’Capper appears to have let in POINT BARROW and ADAMANT APPROACH in fairly lightly ? <br>Maybe the rest of the field were too high ???
doyleyJanuary 15, 2007 at 12:31 #35878AragornMember
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There’s a piece on the RP website (can’t access through work so can’t post it) in which Phil Smith responds to Willoughby’s challenges. He made a couple of points such as due to the high number of runners in Irish handicaps there is greater slippage to afford horses more of a chance. The british handicapper in assessing the races doesn’t afford this leeway obviously in attempt to stop Irish horses coming over and cleaning up. I think the are doing the right thing by assessing Irish horses independently as this allows central control and should serve to avoid massive discrepancies in the ratings dished out..January 15, 2007 at 13:40 #35879
<br>Piece i’ve quoted is from RP website article m8 and i agree, BHB should handicap horses independentlyJanuary 15, 2007 at 14:56 #35880AragornMember
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Sorry, was working from memory! You’ve cut bits out which threw me. To be honest I don’t envy there task… Irish handicap hurdles must be about the most difficult races to assess from a betting perspectiveJanuary 16, 2007 at 00:24 #35881robert99Participant
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Any Irish horse aimed for Cheltenham or any major UK race will only pad round in his slippers for the warm up races. When he arrives at Cheltenham etc he will have better going, be at peak fitness and strip 50 pounds lighter. Handicapping under those circumstances, in Ireland or by BHB, is a total nonsense.January 16, 2007 at 00:33 #35882
those that have not shown sufficient form ( Ireland or England, anywhere) for the handicappers to properly assess, should not be alloted a handicap mark at all and therefore unable to qualify
imo, all the top handicaps should have qualifying races too
<br>Not only does it p**s punters off when Joe Bloggs decides today is the day, it must also p**s genuine connections off who have run their horse on it’s merits only to scuppered by these people
Anyway, thats enough of that rant, another topic imo
<br>(Edited by empty wallet at 1:29 am on Jan. 16, 2007)<br>
(Edited by empty wallet at 1:30 am on Jan. 16, 2007)
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