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I’ve been busy recently so I checked to see if I could find a similar sentiment on here but I couldn’t find it. Apologies if this has been brought up before…
But yeah, I’m talking about the dreadful Rewilding incident. In the immediate aftermath of the horrible spectacle, as he was hobbling past the camera, he gave the cameras a smile and a thumbs up. I mean we could already see that Frankie was A-OK as evidenced by his ability to walk and breath and stuff.
At the time, I was watching with the sound off as I was at a pub taking a break from the festival. As such, I was unaware of the true extent of poor Rewilding’s injuries and gave "our national hero" the benefit of the doubt.
Unfortunately, he showed his true colours in a subsequent interview at Goodwood. When the subject of the tremendous loss that was Rewilding came up, whilst he begrudgingly agreed that it was somewhat a shame, he was quick to assure his millions -AND MILLIONS- of adoring fans that whilst his toe was pretty sore, at least he was ok *massive sigh of relief*.
I’ve tried and I’ve tried to justify his shocking lack of (public at least) empathy for the horses who are the only reason he has a living (because he certainly wouldn’t get by on his lovable personality alone). I tried to reason that due to his success in the saddle, he’s earned a bit of leeway. But then I think back to how much more talented individuals such as Ruby Walsh and Tony McCoy react to these incidents and like most humans with feelings, they’re usually completely devastated.
So the only conclusion is that Frankie Dettori is truly an egomaniacal piece of shit. No wonder RFC love him.
I couldn’t agree more with one caviat if I may. Ignore those feelings when betting. He is a wonderful jockey;probably the best in the world right now. Maybe that has gone to his head.The national hunt jockeys take both their own and the horses life in their hands every time they mount.They depend on the horse to see them through the rough and the smooth.That makes a difference.They cannot just dismount when the trouble starts and walk away.
Cheers for the response andyod
Ignoring those feelings whilst betting is indeed a legitimate caveat. Similar sentiments can also be applied to a certain Keiren Fallon who whilst being a disreputable so and so of the highest order, is an incredible talent who’s frankly peerless whenever the money is down.
Oddly enough though, I actually have a lot more respect for Fallon than I do Dettori because he is under no illusions insofar as his character is concerned.
Digressing a little, I am not a betting man. I had my last bet on a horse in May and am primarily a horse racing fan who goes racing and subscribes to racing media. As such, I find it astounding that given that our sport is absolutely inundated with incredible characters, this leaping harlequin has been granted status of chief poster boy by the powers that be.
So the only conclusion is that Frankie Dettori is truly an egomaniacal piece of shit.
Pretty much sums this place up at the moment. Most of the forum stalwarts sadly departed or rarely sighted these days. Hard to blame them really, when you consider whats being posted.
Come to think of it, if memory serves me correctly, didn’t Frankie respond similarly to another stricken Godolphin servant a couple of years ago?
I forgot to add that I agree with andyod’s theory as to why jump jockeys have such a strong affinity with their mounts.
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So the only conclusion is that Frankie Dettori is truly an egomaniacal piece of shit.
Pretty much sums this place up at the moment. Most of the forum stalwarts sadly departed or rarely sighted these days. Hard to blame them really, when you consider whats being posted.
Perhaps you’d be kind enough to offer a counter-argument to my point?
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This thread is xenophobic rubbish, and is not worth dignifying with "counter arguments". Get a grip, people – such prejudiced nonsense makes you (and the Forum) look childish and nasty. You can´t even be bothered to report your victim´s actions fairly, which tells us more about you than about him. Disgusting drivel.
This thread is xenophobic rubbish
You have rumbled me guv’nor! Yes, my vitriolic hatred for Dettori actually stems from that quarter Italian (on her Dad’s side) girl who broke my teenage heart all those years ago. In retrospect, I can’t believe I got away with such transparent racism for so long. Deep down, I must’ve known that my admiration for Christophe Soumillon and Mickael Barzalona was nothing more than a case of hateful homoerotic suppression gone a little too far…
All utter codswallop aside, please explain how Lanfranco
isn’t
a shamelessly self absorbed primadonna that has no business fronting a sport which is under enough animal welfare scrutiny as it is.
This thread is xenophobic rubbish
You have rumbled me guv’nor! Yes, my vitriolic hatred for Dettori actually stems from that quarter Italian (on her Dad’s side) girl who broke my teenage heart all those years ago. In retrospect, I can’t believe I got away with such transparent racism for so long. Deep down, I must’ve known that my admiration for Christophe Soumillon and Mickael Barzalona was nothing more than a case of hateful homoerotic suppression gone a little too far…
All utter codswallop aside, please explain how Lanfranco
isn’t
a shamelessly self absorbed primadonna that has no business fronting a sport which is under enough animal welfare scrutiny as it is.
edit;- It doesn’t escape me the fact that Messrs Soumillon and Barzalona are themselves a flashy breed of gentleman. In fact, I find their brands of exuberance to be most enticing. Nevertheless, it should be noted that they each have the defence of youth and until proven otherwise, I very much doubt that either of them would honestly believe that the general public would be more sympathetic towards the slight injury of one of their digits compared to the death of a well-featured racehorse.
I agree, his attitude on several occasions seemed to be "shame about the horse but I’m OK so it’s alright".
I often remember Ryan Moore a few years ago when he won on Spanish Moon at Ascot and another horse broke down during the race; he was visibly upset when interviewed afterwards. To me that attitude, and that of Buick after his King George win, indicates a sportsman and a horseman.
Is dettori really the best jockey around or does he just have the best choice of rides? Two Godolphin trainers, lots of horses with Mark Johnston, top agent.
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You have rumbled me guv’nor! Yes, my vitriolic hatred for Dettori actually stems from that quarter Italian (on her Dad’s side) girl who broke my teenage heart all those years ago. In retrospect, I can’t believe I got away with such transparent racism for so long.
I´m glad at least you admit to that, however crude your irony. As far as the Rewilding incident is concerned, you are seeing what you want to see, hearing nothing (the sound was turned down) and spouting utter drivel.
The horse was two furlongs down the course, out of Dettori´s sight the moment he got up. The crowd applauded when he got back to his feet (they couldn´t see the horse either as he was hard on the rail down the course) and he responded to that personal concern. Your remarks are therefore both ignorant and nasty, and you should have had the decency to keep your mouth closed.
I now feel dirty for having responded to your post at all, but I hope it will encourage you to shut up about it, and take a long hard look at your attitudes. Fat chance.
aji – You’re right in saying that Ryan Moore is the consumate professional and will be sorely missed by the sport.
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Resorting to ad hominen arguments just makes you look really silly
So in the interest of fairness, I’m going to stoop down to your level and attempt to "prove" that I’m not a racist by protesting too much Erm, let’s see… I’m German born, my last girlfriend was half-Jamaican, my (hopefully) future girlfriend is Indian, I subscribe to New Internationalist, my favourite band is Swedish and get this – both my favourite political song (Bella Ciao) and favourite foods are Italian!!!1?1!Now if you want to attempt to alter my perceptions then please do. I’m not a pig headed ignoramus and am always happy to admit when I’m wrong (my therapist tells me it’s a sign of maturity). Just over the last 3 months, I’ve changed my beliefs on the whip (I no longer consider it to be an unnecessary instrument of abuse) and am now convinced that Frankel is a superstar.
Now we’ve had our fun…
Every jockey gets applauded after spending a moment on the ground. It’s part of the decorum of the sport although as per usual, he took it too personally. However, no jockey would appear to be so cheerful after a horse badly breaks down underneath him. Besides, the thumbs up occurred minutes afterwards by which point, both he and the crowd would’ve been aware of the relative wellbeing of horse and rider. Furthermore, this isn’t the first time Frankie has responded in this manner and also, you haven’t explained away his attitude at Goodwood.
I suppose I should also remind you that historically and habitually, other jockeys always tend to respond differently to Frankie in these instances… four of them have already been mentioned in this very thread.
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Dettori must have known & felt the horse’s terminal injury.
He is not a good quiet horseman as evidenced by the appalling flying dismounts. One day a filly will kick his head in.
I find him annoying…but this does not mean he doesn’t care about Rewilding or other horses that have died.
A good point has been made that NH jockeys develop more affinity with their mounts.This does not mean he doesn’t care about Rewilding or other horses that have died.
One couldn’t possibly know either way what his innermost feelings are towards stricken horses. However, his countenance definitely conveys an arrogant indifference which is not a good image for either the sport or himself.
In reply to how good a jockey Dettori is, I read an interview with Lester Piggot once and, when asked who he would want to ride a horse of his, he opted for Dettori. When I was at York last year my friend, who hardly ever goes racing and isn’t terribly interested in it, went rushing off to see him do a ‘flying dismount’..I stupidly didn’t realise it was going to happen and have to say I’m disappointed that I missed it. He’s good for racing in that sense. Do I like him? Not much and I agree that he’s all about ‘me’. However, I can’t agree about McCoy being more sensitive to a horse being injured
. Francome always interested me in that sense, because in his autobiography he hardly mentioned the horses he rode [which was disappointing] saying he was just doing his job..and yet when he talks about them on Ch4 no one seems more respectful towards them, or more caring of their well being.One thing I don’t like about Dettori is that, when another jockey wins a big race, he always manages to get on camera, as if he feels it’s really him the public want to see…doesn’t seem sincere when he does it.
I was trying to be fair with my post, but I do not like Dettori or all the plaudits he receives from the BBC. It is hard to tell what goes on in someone’s head; he appears very arrogant & I remember his indifference when another horse sustained a life ending injury.
Someone said his showmanship is good for racing & people like the flying dismounts. I hate them, I was always taught to be quiet around horses; it seems he cannot let his skill speak for itself & has to dress it up with trickery. I wouldn’t like him behaving that way around my horses were I a trainer & one day he could sustain a serious injury leaping from them like that.I don’t agree with the criticisms of Dettori, an excellent ambassador for the sport as well as being an outstanding rider.
When you think he’s not communicating in his native tongue, it’s some tribute to him that he’s been, in effect, the public face of flat racing in this country for nearly 15 years, and a very good job he’s made of it.
Compare and contrast with some of the other great champions of recent times, like Piggott, Carson, Eddery, none of whom, as far as I’m aware, have ever been known to construct or utter a coherent sentence in their
own
language, never mind someone else’s.
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