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You appear to have ignored the fact Quiet Reflection hadn’t yet become the champion sprinter. You also try to imply that Don gave quiet reflection a race, he was comfortably brushed aside and beaten almost 4 lengths with the rest of the field close up.
You’ve got a lot to learn about form, Potato.
Just because Quiet Reflection had not yet won a Group 1, doesn’t necessarily mean she wasn’t already up to Group 1 class – Sandy Lane revealed him in that class. Made 7/4 fav for the Commonwealth Cup on the back of that 3 3/4 lengths beating of Donjuan Triumphant. Horses can put up Group 1 quality performances in Group 2 races. Form is not as you imply – purely name/grade of race and finishing position – it is primarily about what horses finished in the vacinity and how far away they were. Timeform Performance rating of QR’s Group 2 Sandy Lane 4 lbs better than her Group 1 Commonweath Cup victory in his next race.
Of course DT was “brushed aside”, certainly not implying he “gave QR a race” point is he was good enough to get within 3 3/4 lengths of the Champion Sprinter in May… And you are arguing that Donjuan is considerably better in Sept/Oct/Nov than he is in May. So how close do you think he would’ve got to a top form Champion Sprinter in October?
Those “close up” that DT finished ahead of were Stewards Cup winner (off a big weight) Gifted Master and Group 1 winner Buratino. How far ahead of those two do you think Donjuan would’ve finished had the race been in October?
…Some of his placed form at other times of the year is just as good form as his Sept/Oct/Nov winning form.
…Just because a horse wins does not mean the form is necessarily better than a 2nd, 3rd or 4th.
Value Is EverythingYes he was 4th to Sir Dancealot. Let me remind you 4th is unplaced and the winner won a shade cosily and did just enough.
Once again, ignoring the fact DT was beaten less than 1/2 length.
Finishing fourth is exactly the same form as finishing the same distance away from Sir Dancealot had DT been second.
Do you think Donjuan would beat a top form Sir Dancealot if the race was run in October?
Value Is EverythingYou’ve got a lot to learn about form, potato.
You have a lot to learn about punctunction. No need whatsoever for a comma after form in the above sentence.
You are just sulking because I dared to point out Donjuan Triumphant is an ‘autumn horse’ which he clearly is.
You are not my teacher on racing matters ginger. Get over yourself.
Offer opinons that go against mine or look at things from other angles, but don’t be so obnoxious to tell me I have a lot to learn about form as if you are the all knowing racing guru which you clearly aren’t.
I have no idea who you think inside your head that you are. Outrageous.
2 top trainers in Fahey and Balding have trained the beast over 5 seasons and 35 races. He has had more races in the spring and summer combined than he had in just the autumn months yet all 6 of his wins came in the autumn.
AUTUMN MONTHS= 6 wins from 15 runs
ALL OTHER MONTHS= 0 wins from 20 runsBut he is not an autumn horse
PS : he will be winning again THIS AUTUMN
So keep watching
Oh Potato.
I presume you can not answer my questions.
Luckily for me, this is not an English Literature forum.
Am just pointing out – for your own benefit – form is not what you believe it to be.You don’t tell us which winning Sept/Oct/Nov performance/s is/are significantly better form than his defeats by Quiet Reflection in the Group 2 Sandy Lane (MAY) or Signs Of Blessing in Group 1 Maurice De Gheest (AUGUST)… and why you believe them to be?
Apparently listed, class 3 and handicap victories are always better than Group 1 and Group 2 placed.
Value Is EverythingYou clearly have some kind of narcissistic issues Ginger where you believe you are superior to all those around you except of course your great hero simon Rowlands whom incidentally once offered me a job to write a daily tipping article on a project he was in charge of at the time.
Thanks again for telling me I need your help and it’s for my benefit that you explain to me about form.
You are delusional my friend.
LOL
There are many punters superior to me.
My help would not be enough for you my friend.
Value Is EverythingNice one Raymo, you managed to catch that one at treble the SP
I’m happy that I did, as I’d mentioned, have an e/w on Librisa Breeze
at 25s, it was great to see the old boy looking like his former self.
I actually thought he was going to pull it off, but you could see him
thinking about it once he had hit the front. I think you have to have
him get there near enough on the line. No complaints though, Glorious
journey was a worthy winner LOL
There are many punters superior to me.
My help would not be enough for you my friend. What a delusional character you are. You pretend to be a pro gambler on the internet who knows it all yet the best you can normally offer is some bizzare 67% on enable and 33% on Crystal Ocean type bet.
You seem to think that the more words you write then the more intelligent you are. This is the thinking pattern of a low iq type person. This is why most people wont read the endless drivel you write.
I would say you are long term unemployed who bets small stakes every day out of your job seekers allowance and due to your deluded narcissitic tendencies you think it means you are a professional gambler.
You are vile to people on tbe forum and I wouldnt like to guess how many people have left this forum over the years due to your vile and obnoxious personality.
You are vile to people on tbe forum and I wouldnt like to guess how many people have left this forum over the years due to your vile and obnoxious personality
This bit I don’t understand and it’s not nitpicking you Potato but in general why would anyone care so much about another forum member to leave over them? I’m sure it’s happened in the past, just a bit daft
Twitter: Jackh1092
Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!…After I congratulate you on Our Dave I come on here and find your latest post.
tbh There must be many on the internet claiming to be something they aren’t, so if thinking I am pretending to be a small time pro gambler – can’t blame you (or anyone else) – after all you don’t know me.
Can assure you have never drawn any benefit let alone unemployment. Although amount I’ve made as a pro gambler, “unemployment” might have been a better way to go than the horses! LOL
However, I try to keep my comments about the horses/racing and what TRFer’s say about those horses/racing. You can say whatever you like about my horse racing thoughts/knowledge/vocation, Potato; but getting personal does you no favours. My opinion of your racing meanderings should not be that important to you.
Please take a breath and make Our Dave the first of many my friend.
Value Is Everything
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