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I dread to think of the fuss ATR will make tomorrow over Hugh Taylor’s winning selection today, Green Earth at Brighton.
They’ve been gushing about it all afternoon and evening, but what is the truth of the matter?
He put up the selection at 10 a.m. and the first I saw of it was one hour later (I also have another life to live) and the best I could get was 11-1 with Paddy Power.
It was a good winner for which I am very grateful, and I don’t want to appear churlish, but did anybody else get a price anywhere near the 33-1 Hugh quoted?
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Weird, I’ve spoke to a few people who follow Hugh Taylors tips early on in the morning and said there was no 33’s availble anywhere.
Wasn’t it mentioned that the trainer tried backing the horse in the morning and could only get on at 16s? either Hugh Taylor is backing in 5 figures or something smells a bit fishy here.
Was he having a bad month? I seem to recall they haven’t upped any data of Junes performance but you know when a good month has appearted it will be up 8am on the dott on the first of the next month.
I think his June return was pretty fair, Mr Wilson, so I’m surprised it has taken a while to come up on the site. He had a genuine 25-1 (SP) on the first of the month, I remember.
But that’s the exception. I have never got anywhere near his advised price, so I wonder if it is entirely – how shall I put it – fair that ATR will be trumpeting a profit of 66 points (it was a 2-point bet) tomorrow, and adding that to his July total.
After all, the site is aimed at the Man on the Clapham Omnibus, but he is left with only a few crumbs of the headline price.
Therefore, if you look at Hugh’s monthly return you might see a profit of 50 points on the month, but in reality you would have been lucky to break even.
I wonder if anyone from ATR would care to duscuss?
I dread to think of the fuss ATR will make tomorrow over Hugh Taylor’s winning selection today, Green Earth at Brighton.
They’ve been gushing about it all afternoon and evening, but what is the truth of the matter?
He put up the selection at 10 a.m. and the first I saw of it was one hour later (I also have another life to live) and the best I could get was 11-1 with Paddy Power.
It was a good winner for which I am very grateful, and I don’t want to appear churlish, but did anybody else get a price anywhere near the 33-1 Hugh quoted?
I don’t believe this.
Hugh Taylor tips a 33/1 shot at 10am. You see it an hour later Joe and complain the price has gone.
Of course the price has gone after an hour. Hugh is a very successful tipster. It doesn’t take many minutes at 33/1 for bookmaker liabilities from Hugh’s fans to reduce a tip to 20/1 and not many minutes for those 20/1 liabilities to be reduced to 14/1 and not long after to 11/1.
If you’ve got other things to do in that hour, then you can not blame Hugh for the price being slashed.
With lesser quality races it takes far less time for a horse’s price to be slashed. There isn’t a lot of money wagered in these events. Therefore, the percentage of total race money wagered on a Hugh Taylor tip is enormous. When you compare that percentage of money taken with a massive price of 33/1, it’s not surprising the price is 11/1 after an hour.
Hugh has repeatedly said punters should not take prices that are considerably less than his advertised price; but they still do. He is a value seeker. If Hugh tips a horse at 33/1 it probably means he believes it has something like a true 14/1 chance.
Value Is EverythingWeird, I’ve spoke to a few people who follow Hugh Taylors tips early on in the morning and said there was no 33’s availble anywhere.
Wasn’t it mentioned that the trainer tried backing the horse in the morning and could only get on at 16s? either Hugh Taylor is backing in 5 figures or something smells a bit fishy here.
Was he having a bad month? I seem to recall they haven’t upped any data of Junes performance but you know when a good month has appearted it will be up 8am on the dott on the first of the next month.
Mr W,
I would have thought someone who understood "tissue practice" would understand how Hugh works.
Value Is EverythingGinger, of course I have other things to do in that hour. Doesn’t everyone who works for a living?
I wasn’t complaining about the price disappearing, of course it does. What I don’t like is the way that ATR promote Hugh’s record.
Nobody can avail themselves of his advised price, so the monthly record is inaccurate.
In the 1970s I was a daily newspaper tipster. Imagine if I’d tipped a horse who opened at 10-1 in the betting shop and was backed down to an SP of 3-1. Would I be able to print next day that I had tipped a 10-1 winner? Of course not.
Ginger, of course I have other things to do in that hour. Doesn’t everyone who works for a living?
I wasn’t complaining about the price disappearing, of course it does. What I don’t like is the way that ATR promote Hugh’s record.
Nobody can avail themselves of his advised price, so the monthly record is inaccurate.
In the 1970s I was a daily newspaper tipster. Imagine if I’d tipped a horse who opened at 10-1 in the betting shop and was backed down to an SP of 3-1. Would I be able to print next day that I had tipped a 10-1 winner? Of course not.
You would be able to claim a tip at 10/1 instead of 3’s had you said "take the best early morning price".
A newspaper tipster isn’t the same thing anyway (unless you’re comparing Pricewise). When Hugh looks at a race, he backs the price not the horse. ie After studying the form he could still tip any of the runners. It is not until knowing the prices that he gives a tip.
You can not expect him / ATR to do his tipping results on SP, because:
A) He would not tip the horse if the price available was the SP (lower) price, He’d tip another horse in the race instead. Value is everything.
B) The reason why SP is so short is because it is a Hugh Taylor tip. So you’d be effectively not allowing Hugh Taylor to claim the available price purely bacause he is Hugh Taylor.
If a punter is not willing or has not got the time to sit and wait for Hugh Taylor’s tips to be given, and back them straight away – Then they can’t hope to get the best prices or anywhere near it.
Sadly, it’s what comes of being a successful tipster; the prices aren’t there for long. If the price was available at the time of tipping, then he/ATR are fully entitled to claim a 33/1 winner. And if you listen to Hugh, he’s the first one to admit most punters won’t be able to get on before the price goes.
If you look at my tipping thread, hope you don’t think I should count all my tips at SP. Otherwise I’d have to only tip a minute before the off; when I know prices available are similar to SP’s. And then there wouldn’t be any time for people to get on anyway.
Value Is EverythingGinger, that’s a fair enough response, and many of your points are valid.
I don’t know how old you are, but back in the Seventies early prices were (almost) unheard of, and bookies were even reluctant to let you take a price on a bet when you were in the shop.
In the days when I was tipping, licensed bookmakers were only 10 years old or so, and rules were few and far between if there was a danger they might favour the punter.
Thanks for your reply – I’ll go have a look at your thread.
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