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- May 23, 2011 at 11:22 #356770
Agree – it’s hard to imagine that a leading trainer in the UK or France (think Nicholls, Pipe, Henderson, Macaire, Cherel, Gallorini etc.) would do this to a horse and then put the horse in danger and the jockey by racing it again.
Please check your list of trainers.
Mr Henderson instructed a vet to inject a drug on a horse known to have chronic bleeding problems and on the day the horse was racing for the first time at 6 years old.
Besides breaking a clear simple rule that states only food and water on racedays, this horse was a known ‘chronic bleeder’. To me that is a case of animal cruelty.
The vet, acting under the trainer’s instructions, lost his licence. The trainer was banned during the summer for just 3 months and was allowed to run his horses under another trainer’s name.
I hope I’ve got the facts correct. There is also another thread about this "leading" trainer.Indeed Nor and IMO Henderson shouldn’t be training as he broke the rules (I’ve said as much on here) and he shouldn’t have raced the mare if he was that worried about her welfare.
That is totally different to this though – Johnson however had the operation performed knowing it was banned under the rules of racing, knowing that it could result in a fatal injury to the horse and knowing that it would put the jockey at serious risk of injury too.
May 23, 2011 at 14:22 #356800Irish Stamp
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Indeed Nor and IMO Henderson shouldn’t be training as he broke the rules (I’ve said as much on here) and he shouldn’t have raced the mare if he was that worried about her welfare.
That is totally different to this though – Johnson however had the operation performed knowing it was banned under the rules of racing, knowing that it could result in a fatal injury to the horse and knowing that it would put the jockey at serious risk of injury too.
I’m not sure it is totally different. The outcome could have been the same. This is what I have read about the effect chronic bleeding has on a horse when racing:
Many horses that collapse and die whilst racing, or just after they have finished, have a post mortem result showing blood in their lungs.
It can prevent a horse from breathing properly whilst racing which then causes difficulty in running.
Bleeding tends to be a lifelong problem and in severe cases the condition is too bad to treat.So it really depends on how bad Moonlit Path’s condition was to whether she could have collapsed and died whilst racing. She was medicated on her debut raceday. Is one of the reasons for the rule (no medication on racedays) to prevent trainers running sick animals?
Her racing record shows she ran four times, being pulled up on her last one. I wonder what happened to her? Where she is now?July 11, 2011 at 14:51 #364285I saw where Howard had a winner today 11/7/2011. I trust the local vet had the horse checked for frozen limbs before the race.Wouldn’t want limbs falling off before the "winner all right" would we?
July 18, 2011 at 19:28 #19210The BHA will be holding their disciplinary enquiry into the Howard Johnson/Strking Article case on Wednesday/Thursday of this week.
Full details here.
July 18, 2011 at 22:08 #365136
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Thanks for this, Corm. Surprised (reading the link) to also see that
Alan King
has just been fined by the BHA for a positive amitriptyline sample from
Awesome Freddie
on 15th April. £1000 fine and
"subject to examination for twelve months"
is about the lightest punishment they could give.
July 19, 2011 at 09:21 #365159Amitriptyline is a familiar drug with many uses, though mainly as a treatment for depression and anxiety in humans, dogs and cats
Is it administered to curb these ailments in horses too?
July 19, 2011 at 14:07 #365171Used to treat muscular problems as well, I believe which is what I assume it was used for.
July 19, 2011 at 16:34 #365184Interesting – I met Awesome Freddie a couple of weeks ago – he didn’t look depressed to me!
Hes a tall horse though and so could suffer muscular problems!July 19, 2011 at 18:01 #365192Depression and anxiety are just two of a plethora of ‘mood disorders’ and there’s plenty of racehorses whose moods are frequently disordered: the ‘nervous’ type for example
Hence my enquiry regarding the use of amitriptyline in horses
Given it appears to be a banned raceday substance, I’d agree it does seem likely that it’s used to boost physical performance and/or treat physical afflictions rather than ameliorate mental problems
July 19, 2011 at 20:21 #365204Depression and anxiety are just two of a plethora of ‘mood disorders’ and there’s plenty of racehorses whose moods are frequently disordered: the ‘nervous’ type for example
Hence my enquiry regarding the use of amitriptyline in horses
Given it appears to be a banned raceday substance, I’d agree it does seem likely that it’s used to boost physical performance and/or treat physical afflictions rather than ameliorate mental problems
From the findings:
The urine of the horse was found to contain amitriptyline, which is a prohibited substance. After considering the evidence, including a statement from Alan King, the Panel was satisfied that on a balance of probability the contamination may have occurred through cross contamination from an employee who was taking amitriptyline on medical advice at the material time.
July 20, 2011 at 08:45 #365251Thanks for that
I’ve had a dig around the ‘net and it appears that amitriptyline has no role in equine medicine and is literally ‘a banned substance’, not only when found in horses post-race as I chose to infer from Pinza’s report
Therefore, given that the presence of the drug was almost certainly due to inadvertent cross-contamination the ‘minimal’ penalty seems quite correct
July 20, 2011 at 12:19 #365263Cross contamination from a stable employee? How exactly could that happen?
I find it hard to imagine any sequence of events that would transfer a drug from the blood stream of a human to the urine of a horse!
AP
July 20, 2011 at 15:50 #365285Perhaps the stable employee dropped a pill into the horse’s feed whilst medicating himself

I’ve no idea if amitriptyline is present in sweat but if so – and given that drug tests seem to be able to detect miniscule amounts – I suppose it is possible that contamination occurred via transference from the worker’s hands to the feed or even from hands to the horse’s skin
July 20, 2011 at 17:38 #365289I’m just surprised that the BHA haven’t made it clear what exactly happened. If I was licensed trainer, faced with the prospect of a £1,000 fine if this was repeated in my stable, I’d like to have an idea of what I should look for and what actions my staff need to avoid.
AP
July 20, 2011 at 23:00 #365323AP,
different drug, but this from the Shahjee inquiry by HKJC on 13/05/2011 here:
http://www.hkjc.com/english/corporate/r … ewsMonth=5
"Dr Wan provided evidence to the inquiry that two urine samples provided on 1 April 2011 by the Stables Assistant allocated to Mr Yiu’s stable and who attended to SHAHJEE at the relevant time were found to contain very high concentrations of ketamine and its metabolites, and that all items swabbed at the residence of the Stables Assistant under consent had also shown significant traces of ketamine. Further, swabs of a number of items which the Stables Assistant had contact with within Mr Yiu’s stable as well as the immediate stable environments of SHAHJEE and another horse attended to by the relevant Stables Assistant had also shown traces of ketamine. Dr Wan further advised that blood and urine samples taken on 1 April 2011 from SHAHJEE and the other horse trained by Mr Yiu which was attended to by the relevant Stables Assistant had all shown, upon detailed analysis, evidence for the presence of minute and insignificant traces of ketamine and its metabolites.
Having considered all of the evidence before them, the Stewards formed the view that the finding of ketamine and its metabolites in the post-race blood and urine samples taken from SHAHJEE on 20 March 2011 was most probably as a result of contamination caused by the Stables Assistant who attended to the horse on that day.
……..The Rules of Racing place a heavy onus upon trainers in respect of their responsibility to present horses under their care and control to race free of prohibited substances so as to protect the integrity and reputation of horseracing and the Club together with the interests of the owners of horses racing in Hong Kong. Mr Yiu was advised that given the very unique circumstances of this case, the Stewards were of the opinion that there had not been any failure, omission or neglect on his part which had resulted in ketamine and its metabolites being found in the relevant post-race samples taken from SHAHJEE on 20 March 2011. Accordingly, the Stewards did not believe that any charge of having breached the Rules of Racing should be issued against him in respect of this matter.
However, he was advised that should he harbour any concerns in respect of the performance, suitability or demeanour of the stable staff allocated to him in the future, he should immediately advise the Club’s Management of such concerns…"
July 20, 2011 at 23:38 #365326@ apracing
In relation to a different case a couple of years ago, I was advised by a chap at the BHA that the stable lad in question had probably peed into the horse’s bedding rather than cross the stable yard to the loo. Apparently this happens all the time. Then the horse ingests the human pee while rootling around in his bedding for food.
It’s all very edifying.
July 21, 2011 at 08:54 #365339Apart from its use as an illicit psychotropic drug – which is presumably the reason it was found in the stable lad’s urine – Ketamine is used legally as an analgesic/tranquiliser/anaesthetic in humans and a wide range of animals including horses
I learnt this from an episode of
Midsomer Murders
in which veterinary ketamine was being pilfered from a stable in order to feed the drug habits of the wasted youths of Midsomer Somewhere
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