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What is northern racing bringing to the party?
Nicky Richards, Ferdy Murphy, Sue Smith …..
Where is the report on this trainer?…why has it not taken place….what is the delay??…why is he still allowed to train??…why has his license not been suspended until a proper investigation has taken place??
Paul Struthers answer this please??…i hope your not hiding this case because of the warranted trouble which was brought about after the Grand National.
A 1 year ban from Racing would suffice imo
I completely agree, at least one year. They completely revoked an American trainers license for simply having one too many drugs violations and some needles found in his barn. And yet they let this contemptible man get away with de-nervating a horses feet so that it in effect runs until its foot falls off.
Never was a big fan but now I dislike man. here is the story
http://www.racingpost.com/horses/home.s … ument=1546
After the terrible press the National got surely the Racing Authorities need to take a tougher stance on welfare? I was appalled when I read some people thought they ought to not bypass the fences where the horses were stricken. I love racing but I love horses more and seeing Ornais just drop dead like that and left under a sheet of tarpaulin made me sick to my stomach.
Whip penalties need to be pecuniary, jockeys just beat the horses black and blue sometimes then get a 3 day ban which happens to fall when no important racing is on. And if it falls on important racing everyone complains it is unfair.
I used to compete in the sport of horse trials and I can tell you any rider who had a written or verbal warning for abuse of the whip was so mortified it very rarely happened. They had a two yellow card system which when together meant a red card and a several month ban, not sure the rules have ever been engaged
I completely agree, at least one year. They completely revoked an American trainers license for simply having one too many drugs violations and some needles found in his barn. And yet they let this contemptible man get away with de-nervating a horses feet so that it in effect runs until its foot falls off.
Never was a big fan but now I dislike man. here is the story
http://www.racingpost.com/horses/home.s … ument=1546
After the terrible press the National got surely the Racing Authorities need to take a tougher stance on welfare? I was appalled when I read some people thought they ought to not bypass the fences where the horses were stricken. I love racing but I love horses more and seeing Ornais just drop dead like that and left under a sheet of tarpaulin made me sick to my stomach.
Whip penalties need to be pecuniary, jockeys just beat the horses black and blue sometimes then get a 3 day ban which happens to fall when no important racing is on. And if it falls on important racing everyone complains it is unfair.
I used to compete in the sport of horse trials and I can tell you any rider who had a written or verbal warning for abuse of the whip was so mortified it very rarely happened. They had a two yellow card system which when together meant a red card and a several month ban, not sure the rules have ever been engaged
I couldn’t possibly disagree with anything here.
I agree completely with the tenor of this thread.Those who refused a jockey his license after he paid his fine and went overseas to ride now allow Johnson to train while awaiting justice. What is the point of paying the fine? He served his time and wanted to ride for his brother in Philadelphie but no; he was undesireable. But Johnson is still training and training winners.No justice. Rules are for the likes of Fallon who spent two years on the side line awaiting a hearing. But the friends of the court can do what they like.Shame.
How can one possibly penalise a jockey for excessive use of the whip and allow Howard Johnson to treat horses the way he does? Are we living in a crazy world or what?
And we are still waiting for the list of 6 jockeys who involved in race fixing.
According to the Guardian, it was between two & four weeks when they published the story on April 17th. So some time soon. I’d speculate on next week some time. They won’t do it during York.
With reference to the Johnson case it was announced back in February that the case was being put back to the Summer . . . I can’t find my correspondence with Paul Struthers on the matter but off the top of my head it will he heard June or July.
The initial delay was because Johnson’s legal team asked for a three month delay in order to fully prepare their case. This would have come through to May and if I remember correctly the later date came about as it is the earliest date all the parties are available.
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As Paul says, it has been known from early on that the hearing would be delayed until Summer, partly (though not wholly) bowing to the request of Howard Johnson, who asked for time to prepare his case.
When you are dealing with the possibility of long-term bans, stable staff’s livelihoods – and the vital security of horse welfare – it is in all cases important to make sure that everyone has time to marshal the evidence as clearly and completely as possible. Otherwise the BHA lays itself open to further legal action, time, cost and loss of credibility.
As there’s no surprise about this delay, why the sudden furore and demands for summary "justice" (or lynching)?
As there’s no surprise about this delay, why the sudden furore and demands for summary "justice" (or lynching)?
No surprise to you, but obviously some people weren’t aware of it, hence this thread and the original question
Jesus, not another of those days!
Why would the BHA allow Johnson such a long period to come up with a defence. Why would it take 3 months to tell the truth.
It seems to me its fairly nice to have it during the summer. This should have been done last week straight after the season ended in UK to keep the integrity of NH Racing intact.
Let us put this into perspective. When a person is charged with a criminal offence do they get given "a three month delay to fully prepare their case"?
And are they allowed to simply just get on with their lives between charge and trial? At the very minimum they have to pay bail, and for serious offences they are not granted bail. IN terms of rules of racing this is a VERY serious offence compared to say injecting the horse with drugs.
He should have to pay some kind of large bond to the authority on the dependence of an action as at least this would not only make him realize he cannot get away with this behaviour but also that the authorities are taking the matter seriously.
To me it just looks like an old boys club where they make up the rules as they go along in a completely arbitrary and unfair manner. Nicky Henderson’s ban was ridiculous and deliberately made to look like he was being punished without having any negative practical effect on the guilty party whatsever.
Sorry rant over!
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obviously some people weren’t aware of it, hence this thread and the original question
It’s not as if this matter hasn’t been covered before, in several threads. See for example this short one:
https://theracingforum.co.uk/horse-r … on#p364374
Muffin Man
made it clear we could expect nothing until July. Yet at least one of the current Summary Justice Brigade contributed to that thread too. Short-term memory loss?
Also persons charged with criminal offences do not get to choose when the trial or punishment takes place this is decided by the Crown.
That 3 month delay thing is a completely ruse to try and get the inevitable ban run over summer. Completely cheating the system, though the system is hopeless anyway – shows a complete lack of integrity and morality about all the parties
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Let us put this into perspective. When a person is charged with a criminal offence do they get given "a three month delay to fully prepare their case"?
Usually more, as a matter of fact. The Crown Prosecution Service often needs double that time to prepare the evidence for a start, as they do not have limitless resource. And the better your legal team, the longer the delay can be.
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