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  • #1516520
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    Totally different personalities – agreed

    #1516562
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    Tank although well practiced in the mechanics of cloneship is not that able a detective methinks, to use one if his words.

    It took me some time back in the day to forge a connection between Kotikjet and his later alter ego Paddy the Paddy.

    When I mentioned to Tank that Paddy the Paddy was responsible for the awful ‘drip of days” thread he replied that yes he had heard of him. Some time later he wrote that he knew that P the P was Kotkijet. Not so methinks. Tank is a very colourful writer in every sense. Despite his innacuacies his oft controversial postings do escalate debate and get the flies moving.

    The lust… :mail:

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    gamble, you old duffer – you’re losing it.

    Remember when Ian came back and you thought it was me in pretendy mode? :wacko:

    Also, it was me that pointed out to you -years ago now- that BH was Kotkijet. You said you’d never have made the connection yourself. So think on!

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    ‘Boris is nowhere near far right’. An interesting assertion given this Tory manifes- sorry, National Front poster that surfaced recently.

    https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/11/former-national-front-activist-says-brexit-slogans-eerily-similar-to-his-time-with-group-13732461/amp/

    #1516812
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    Typical straw man fallacy, Richard.

    “Stop Immigration”
    Boris did not / does not want to “Stop Immigration”, just not thave he EU’s immigration policy.
    Indeed – unlike the EU – under Boris / Brexit Britain… people from India, Africa and Carribean countries will have just as much right to come to Britain as mainly white Europeans. Does that sound like a National Front policy?

    Unfortunately with the EU every country had practically the same immigration policy, no matter what population and population density. England (appreciate it’s different for other parts of UK) has a population of 55.6 million but a population density of 424 per square kilometre. Germany only 232 and France 118. Therefore they can take more immigration. Although I voted remain, can understand people wanting the immigration we need, not have it forced on us. ie For Boris and most Brexiteers it was about numbers and not colour.

    “Reject Comman Market”.
    Brexit is less about rejecting the Comman Market. If the EU was only about a comman market Britain would still be in the EU. What we signed up for in the 70’s is not what the EU is today. Brexit was far more about soverignty and in particular the EU’s pledge of “ever closer (political) union”. Unfortunately remaining inside the Comman Market while outside the EU would’ve resulted in doing whatever they say without us having a vote. ie EU dictating what we had to do… EU rules mean we’d be unable to do our own trade deals. Under Boris / Brexit although there will be checks at borders, but we do have zero tariffs and zero quotas. So not a rejection, just “a” rather than “the” Comman Market.

    “Restore Capital Punishment”
    Where is that part of Boris / Brexit? :unsure:

    “Make Britain Great Again”
    Did Trump take his slogan from the NF?
    Personally I find the “Great” in Great Britain embarassing and patronising towards other countries. Surely every country wants to be great and having great in a country’s name does not make it so. However, what’s wrong with wanting Britain to be great? There’s nothing racist in it. Would you rather we were a minor country?

    “Scrap Overseas Aid”
    Where has Boris said this? When many British subjects are struggling there is an arguement for reducing overseas aid. Personally I don’t see why India should get any money when it is no longer a poor country and should be encouraged to spend more on its own poor. So imo we needed changes to overseas aid. But even under Boris / Brexit we are still towards the top of the table when it comes to percentage of GDP given to overseas aid. May be – as with climate activists – those criticising Boris / Brexit / Britain should look elsewhere?

    “Rebuild Our Armed Forces”
    What’s wrong with that? How is rebuilding our armed forces racist? It’s been reduced too far. After the cold war finished it was right to reduce our armed forces. However Our potential (historic) enemies Russia and China have become more boligerent in recent times. More terrorist threat too and the cyber threat is growing. WE need to rebuild or revamp our armed forces.

    If the National Front would’ve said we need to spend more on the NHS some people would say (as a consequence) we should spend less.

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    I am not proud of being British per se and I have never regarded myself as being patriotic.

    I am a bit of a foodie and most of the food I enjoy eating is from other countries/cultures and I think the cuisine of many countries is superior to ours.

    I also noticed particularly when I lived in London and ventured out to a restaurant that the children of people from other cultures and countries were often a lot better behaved in public than white British children, the vast majority of who seem to be self-entitled spoiled little brats nowadays, until adult reality bites.

    We throw Xboxes, PlayStations and smart phones at them in childhood as if money is confetti only to leave them to pay for their only university education, leave college in debt and then face a housing market where mandatory 25% deposits put them straight into the clutches of greedy landlords so they end up renting well into middle-age.

    How to not bring up a generation – way to go, us Boomers.

    That said there are numerous things I like about being in Britain and which I don’t take for granted.

    Living in a democracy four example.

    Our weather still isn’t as extreme as in many countries, despite global warming.

    And we have a rich variety of racecourses, fixed odds, spread and exchange betting to choose from as well.

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    Totally agree with what you posted IanDavies

    I can never understand the attachment to a particular nationality or blind jingoism just because of an accident of birth.

    There are, as in most countries, good and bad things about this country, on balance undoubtedly more good than bad but I will criticise where due and praise when due.

    I would hate to be an American at the moment _ I would just be totally embarrassed.

    It’s like international sport – I cannot abide association football but a cannot understand why anyone would support England, they are, at best, an average team still basking in the “glory” of a single game 54 years ago. Or why support a national team because of where you happened to have been spawned?

    My sport of choice now is Rugby Union but in most international matches, even England games, I don’t actually care who wins as long as it’s a good game and the best team wins.

    The only exception is when Scotland are playing, then it’s a case of “any team but Scotland” and that’s not down to any anti-Scottish sentiment but to the childish attitude of the SRU when their World Cup game with Japan was under threat due to the typhoon and they started throwing their toys out of the pram and threatening legal action.

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    Beware of putting off kids from going to university through myths.

    Indeed, is student debt a debt at all, Ian?
    A student pays nothing.

    Definition of debt: Sum of money owed or due.
    If nothing is earnt after university nothing is owed or due.

    As with all taxes this is all about ability to pay. The more money a worker / business owner earns the more he/she should pay towards their education. An education that has enabled him/her to get a good or even excellent income.

    Below is some of what the money expert Martin Lewis has to say on student debt:

    What matters is how much someone has to repay.
    What someone needs to repay depends solely on what is earnt after university.
    A no win no fee education.
    Those who earn a lot after graduating or leaving uni will pay a lot.
    Those who don’t gain much financially from uni will repay little or nothing.

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    And I in turn agree with you, Mr Ostomeyer.

    Unlike yourself, I do have an interest in football, but not especially in the National team, who are IMO, as they say, “bang average.”

    In fact, I expect Euro 2020 (held this year in 2021) to be won by the French, who actually won the World Cup race with a young squad and yet are slightly longer odds!

    Better food, better at football and jolly good Jump racing, including a nice card at Cagnes-Sur-Mer tomorrow.

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    Funnily enough Ian you can say the same about Rugby Union and the French – it’s still 30 months away but they have a good young team who should peak in 2023 – can’t wait to get to the games and certainly closer than Japan was in 2019.

    Totally agree about the French food

    #1517262
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    I feel an ante-post bet on the 2023 Rugby Union World come on France coming on – at least it will give me an interest!

    Thank you, sir!

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    I’d rather have a roast dinner or cod and chips.

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    Nothing wrong with a roast Ginge – as long as it’s cooked properly – when we were allowed to eat out I would rarely have a roast out because the meat is invariably overcooked.

    Make it haddock and triple cooked chips then you’ll have a deal with the fish and chips.

    But if I’m eating out I would easily prefer an average French restaurant over a top UK one any day of the week.

    I always remember one trip to France I stopped in a town off the tourist trail and found the local restaurant. Shortly after I had ordered another British couple turned up but were struggling because the menu was only in French – so I translated for them.

    She ordered smoked salmon for starter and she threw a wobbly when it came out complaining “it’s raw, I’m not eating that” – she had clearly never encountered smoked salmon before and was clearly expecting John West tinned lol

    Even better was when my starter of tête de veau came out – I seriously thought she was going to simultaneously pass out and throw up when she saw the brain taking centre stage on my plate not helped by me exaggerating my delight at eating it.

    Another “Brits abroad” food story. Friends of ours owned a cottage in Burgundy which they would let friends use at favourable rates, which we took advantage of one year.

    It was in a small village with no restaurant but the local farmers wife would cook home meals in her kitchen for just a couple of tables. The food was absolutely sublime, it wouldn’t be out of place in a Michelin starred restaurant and grossly under priced, she could easily have charged double and it would still have been excellent value, but she did it for the love of cooking and people enjoying it.

    Anyway in the cottage there was the usual “recommendations” book and almost everyone was recommending this “brilliant” restaurant about 20 miles away, so we thought we would give it a go one night.

    Alarm bells rang when we arrived at the car park – it was full of British registered cars. It turned out to be British a owned place serving British “pub grub” and was the meeting place of the local ex-pats …. we just turned round and walked straight out.

    The local farmhouse did get a mention in the recommendations book but mostly people complaining the farmer and his wife didn’t speak a word of English, little mention of the excellent food.

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    “cooked properly” means different things to different people though Paul. Each to his own, but I rarely eat out. One reason is because I find the meat invariably underdone.

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    #1517342
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    Exactly Ginge – I was bought up on meat cooked for hours, vegetables cooked until they were mush and tea which was 90% milk.

    As a reaction I’ve eventually reached the stage where I like my meat barely dead and my tea black – I’m still not keen on vegetables though, no matter how they’re cooked. lol

    #1517356
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    I went through a stage of not liking veg too, but got a couple of tips:

    1) Saw Jamie Oliver say one way to make kids enjoy veg (particularly carrots) was to cut them up in different shapes. Makes them more interesting – a psychological thing.
    Wondered whether it would work for me… and it did.

    2) One reason why I grew up loving roast dinners was (although not keen on veg) I couldn’t get enough mint sauce and so particularly loved lamb. Often asked whether I wanted lamb with my mint sauce. Now have veg with vast majority of main meals, every one of them with mint sauce!

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    #1517357
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    Why are fish fingers frowned on. One of my favourites.

    Something else I can recommend is crisp sandwiches!

    British food is best. ;-)

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