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Essentially yes, a good point, David; albeit slightly tempered by a Newsnight expose I saw a while back, which revealed the Swedish authorities still practised eugenics on people thought likely to produce disabled or unintelligent offpsring up until around 15 years ago.
Jeremy<br>(graysonscolumn)<br>
Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.
Hi Everybody
Interesting comments db & goc. Anarchy / Autonomy doesn’t seem like such a bad idea when you consider those comments!
Hi Steve
I had a feeling that your post was a wind up (even though I may have imagined that you are slightly right of centre).
Having said that, your comment holds a strong resemblance to the opinion of many a Brit I’ve met. Thus, the points I made in my post are still very relevant to the debate for the apathetic everyman.
Personally, I believe we (in the West) are now waking up to the notion that our actions have consequences.
In some European countries, perhaps – but unfortunately, I’d be kidding myself if I thought that the above applied to any more than 2% of our population.
Good on you for your non meat-based diet. The little difference you’re making is still better than no difference. Just remember that this week, excessive cod depletion almost started a war between Norway and Russia. With the likes of France and Spain also kicking off over fishing, I say make a stand and boycott the fish industry!!!
Are you sure it was me? I think you might be giving me credit for another person’s words
I’m not so sure if it was you now that I think about it. You should have taken the compliment for it though – I thought it was pretty good! No idea where it came from :confused:
Simon
(Edited by Kotkijet at 2:37 am on Oct. 21, 2005)
Quote: from lollys mate on 7:17 pm on Oct. 5, 2005[br] As I drive through the cotswolds and into the centre of London and drive past Buckingham palace, Nelsons collom and then onto Big Ben himself. I am very proud to be British!
Then I drive on towards my house.
I see scum, crime, muggers, crap hospitals, traffic, beggars, no police, schools without discipline, happy slappers, oap’s going to jail for having a bit of a protest, graffitti, red tape, MRSA, no dentists available to ordinary people, tax hikes, and all the other stuff that goes with.
I then dont like Britain.
Whatever happened to the Dunkirk spirit.<br>
lollys mate, how can you leave out MAD-cow disease.<br>Plus we’ve got the best football manager in Sven Vodafone.<br>I am just surprised we haven’t got any hurricane but I guess it could be here pretty soon.
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interesting times coming up for us Brits
Fascinating to read this 15 years down the line. Perhaps if stevedvg had become ruler of the world back then we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in now. However, to answer the original question, on a scale of 1-10 I’d probably say minus 8.
Nothing will change and even if it did and the country goes into recession who’s to say we wouldn’t have done so if we had stayed in Europe. No one can prove whether we would or we wouldn’t, if we do. People, both leavers and remainers, will carry on moaning about public services, taxation and anything else that affects their lives as it’s human nature to do so.
I’m just going to get on with my job, head down, hoping nothing in the profession changes too much, although more hopeful than anything and then by around 2027/28 retire, again hopeful that my health is still good. The question is will I be able to last that long in a career I’ve been in since school so don’t want to change, but longing to get out of. Just hoping for the lucky lottery or bet to come in
It has already changed for people I know whose jobs have moved to mainland Europe and those whose families are emigrating purely because of Brexit. Another friend who has closed down her business due to Brexit and who is worried about her son’s access to anti epilepsy medication. And those who do live in Europe and have pensions that have been decimated because of it, too.
Some interesting contributions from several entertaining but sadly long-gone correspondents: where are they now?
Razeen’s posts seem to have been completely wiped, shame
I, and I doubt anyone, has a clue what’s going to happen to this septic isle over the next few years. I rather agree with Homersimpson that, for the majority, little will: ’twas ever the case, most will just get on with life in as painless a way as possible, keeping on trying to keep the wolf from the door
keeping on trying to keep the wolf from the door
or the Tank
Blackbeard to conquer the World
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Why would you want to do that?
Nothing will change and even if it did and the country goes into recession who’s to say we wouldn’t have done so if we had stayed in Europe. No one can prove whether we would or we wouldn’t, if we do.
So what was the point in leaving then?
I was a fervant Remainer and even campaigned for it on here somewhere – for many of the reasons you hear from Liberal “democrats”… And then am ashamed to say I signed the petition for another referendum. However since then have come to the conclusion…
Although economically I still believe it will hurt the UK (I don’t want car workers and many more to lose their jobs) and I didn’t want the UK to break up (Northern Ireland’s border problem and Scotland etc)… Do see some of the other arguement. A certain amount of immigration is fine, but England (I realise it’s not the same for other parts of the uk) has the greatest number of people per mile of any major European country. To treat us the same as countries with far fewer people is crazy. Finding it difficult to build enough houses for our existing population, let alone an ever-growing one. We’ll end up with no countryside! There are plusses and minusses on both sides.
However, we’ve had the referendum and fact is we Remainers LOST anyway! If we Remainers got/get another referendum it surely had/has got to be not for “stopping Brexit” but to Rejoin after we’ve given the first referendum verdict (Leave) a go/seen its result. Anything else would imo be UNdemocratic! Give it 10 years and see.
I (a remainer) voted for Boris.
Unlike many countries; at least we British have now done the right thing democratically; no thanks to the last Parliament (both Remainers and Conservative ERG Group).
In this case and overall – on the whole – am proud of being British.
Value Is EverythingBritain already had near enough total control of our borders. The EU has a rule that if, three months after moving to a different member state, you are unable to support yourself then you can be returned to your country of origin. We chose not to enforce this. We could have stopped workers from the 2004 enlargement coming to the UK for 7 years. Again, we chose not to. For some reason we don’t do exit checks either. The vast majority of countries, both EU and non-EU, that I’ve been to have a passport control on exit.
I don’t really see what relevance the population density of just England has, the UK as a whole is behind Belgium and the Netherlands and they seem to do just fine. Perhaps we should do more to encourage people to spread out a bit.
As for democracy, we don’t live in one anyway. The Tories have about 56% of seats from about 44% of the vote, and it’s a similar story for most parties who are nearly all massively under or over represented. We then have an unelected House of Lords and an unelected Head of State. That sounds like an odd version of democracy to me and that’s before we get on to the barrage of lies, misinformation and foreign interference.
I’d love Brexit to be a success and will happily be proved wrong but I just think that this is vanishingly unlikely. It’s a gamble that no sensible bettor would have made.
So what was the point in leaving then?
Because, to keep power, Mr Cameron, in his wisdom, promised a referendum. As Cameron does not live in the real world he did not foresee the result.
I voted to remain but was not totally convinced why we should stay in as the EU is far from perfect. But I took the decision of “the better the devil you know.”
Austerity + Brexit = Recession + Xenophobia + Populism.
And we have a buffoon leading the country.
The only pride I have is in our Olympic athletes.
I will never accept the result of a referendum that was based on lies and misinformation. Plus the fact that 3 out of 5 countries voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU but were ignored, and that Brexit will most likely lead to the break up of the union. As for the sabre/flag waving antic of the Brexit party MEP’s [and now the PM albeit with a gong]compared to the dignity of the EU; well, it leaves me speechless. Oh, and now austerity, which had ended before the election, has now strangely been reintroduced albeit under a different name…
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