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Was Hasili any good on the racecourse? Produced 4 individual Group 1 winners including the excellent sire Dansili. Some broodmare
Hasili was only a Listed-level runner. She won one small race as a 2yo and was placed in two Listed races as a 3yo. But to produce five Group One winners who each won over a million dollars merits a lot of applause. And in addition to produce Dansili who was placed in six Group Ones but did not win one. I suppose he has the last laugh in being the most successful at stud, producing more Group One winners this year than any other Northern Hemisphere stallion, with a stud fee of £80,000, second only in the UK to that “untried” stallion, Frankel .
One of Hasili’s team-mates at Juddmonte, Toussaud, was a Group One winner for Bobby Frankel in the United States after starting her career in the UK with John Gosden. She produced four Group/Grade One winners and one Group Two winner. One of them was Empire Maker, who won the Belmont, and has so far produced nine Grade One winners at stud. The bad news for Juddmonte is that they sold him to Japan when his stallion career was just getting off the ground in the States, before they realized just how good a stallion he would be.
Windmill Girl. Placed in both the English and Irish Oaks, finishing best of all in both races after having trouble in running, and winning the Ribblesdale at Royal Ascot. Produced two Derby winners in Blakeney and Morston.
steeplechasing wrote:
There used to be a theory that top-notch mares rarely gave birth to progeny who came anywhere near the ability of the mother. Supposed reason was that some excess of male hormone had given them that extra oomph on the track, but it would prove a drawback when breeding.I never found out if there was any substance to the theory. Doubtless at least one TRFr will have some stats!
Frederico Tesio in his book “Breeding the Racehorse” Page 83 wrote:
“The Importance of nervous energy in breeding.
“Famous racing mares are frequently poor producers for the very reasons which made them famous, they have expended so much of their nervous energy in their races they have little left to pass on to their progeny. This is especially true during their first period as broodmares.”
He goes on to say that the offspring are often handsome well developed individuals without visible flaws but they seldom win and are beaten by others less perfect in conformation because they have inherited a weak dose of nervous energy from a depleted parent.
Topically today, he added to the above “The same applies to the offspring of horses that have been doped”
He based his observations on his analysis of breeding records up to, I believe, 1939.Does the same hold true today?
There are in England and Ireland 17 group one races for 3 yr old and above colts and horses to race in between the distances of 8f to 12f. Fillies and Mares can also race in 14 of these races.
Between 2000 and 2013 there has been 235 runnings of these races, (the Queen Anne did not become a group one until 2003)
Of those 235 runnings, only 20 have been won by colts, horses, fillies or mares that were the offspring of group one winning broodmares. That’s only 8.51%9 of those 20 were won by Urban Sea’s offspring, the most any other had had is 2.
Often the winners broodmare has not raced at all.
I know it is a small sample but it is the select one as its from these races that the winners are most likely to become the best stallions producing the next generations of group one winners.
77% of the 235 wins were achieved by horses with a Paternal Sire who had himself won a race of that type or had been a Champion Sire.
A further observation to make is that on 10 occasions within the sample, the races have been won by fillies or mares. Snow Fairy and The Fugue have not yet produced and of the other 8, I cannot think of any one of them that has produced a group one winner. I may be wrong as I have no records relating to Fillies and Mares only group one races. It would seem that winning against the colts and horses is even tougher.
If we look at the current 2 year old colts, the best that has been achieved by a colt with a group one winning broodmare is Ouija Board’s son Australia winning a G3 race in Ireland.
How he will fare next year, who knows?As shown below with best RPR’s achieved, others with group one winning broodmares have not achieved much and seem unlikely to win at group one level next year
Australia 1st G3 Breeders Cup Trial 8f 113 Ouija Board
Mekong River 1st Eyrefield Stakes 9f 104 Simply Perfect
Sir John Hawkins 4th G2 July Stakes 6f 104 Peeping Fawn
Indian Maharaja 1st Canford Cliffs Stakes 7f 101 Again
Stubbs 1st Rochestown Stakes 6f 101 Moonstone
Iniesta 1st Galway Maiden 8f 87 Red Evie
Dove Mountain 2nd Cork Maiden 6f 79 Virginia Waters
Juniper Tree 4th Naas Maiden 7f 78 Alexander Goldrun
King´s Land 3rd Newmarket Maiden 8f 76 Kazzia
Touch The Sky 4th Newmarket Maiden 8f 75 Love Divine
Veya 2nd Haydock Maiden 7f 72 Gossamer
Almuhalab 10th Newmarket Maiden 7f 62 GhanaatiAustralia is the 4th foal of Ouija Board’s, the 1st three have achieved nothing much and both the colts have been gelded !
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