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Can’t remember him receiving an exposed horse from an Irish trainer and improving it 20lb in a run. So no.
Stormy Ireland is a 7yo and had the majority of her runs in Ireland, so i would say what you’ve just replied is pretty inaccurate. WPM has not just received an exposed horse and improved in 20pds. He’s taken a mare back after 4 runs, and brought her back to the level she was running at before leaving him.If it had been a horse with say 25 runs, a 10yo and had never been with WPM, maybe what you said would’ve been accurate.
Again as you say it’s your opinion, i’d say an opinion with very little evidence but each to their own.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Yep each to their own indeed. Things are rarely black or white, they are often several shades of grey.
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Interesting that the BHA are going to look at their handicapping system.
The Irish are happy for the BHA to carry out their drug testing system out on their horses. I suggest the BHA should be happy for HRI to carry out their handicapping system on UK horses. They might get somewhere. Instead, they proceed to keep Irish handicap “marks” themselves, hold them secret until an entry and then get shafted when they bolt up by 10ls.
We have seen cock ups like the Energumene/Shishkin and Escaria Ten ones to suggest the BHA make it up as they go along these days and have done for sometime.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!The issue with medication and testing is that that Irish authorities don’t do much in the way of testing horses between races, something which has become much more common in the UK.
So it is quite possible that one or more Irish trainers are using something between races that enables their horses to withstand more work on the gallops, thus ensuring they are fitter when they do race. That something might be a new steroid, or just a feed additive – it might be legal, it might not – but if you don’t test you won’t find it.
Personally, I very much doubt that medication has anything to do with recent events. It’s just better horses, battle hardened by taking each other on through the winter.
As for the handicaps, I made my view plain before the Festivals and got universally shouted down by multiple posters.
Perhaps Willie Mullins is just better at training mares, Alan King always is very good with mares. Paul Nicholls rarely buys a mare and I would think his knowledge of training and racing mares is less extensive than Mullins or Alan King. Perhaps its a girls thing!
Mullins did run Stormy Ireland twice at 2m4f on officially soft ground at Cheltenham, Jack. A course with an even stiffer uphill finish than Sandown. One of those when finishing just 2 1/4 lengths second to Roksana in the Mares Hurdle. He’d also twice run her on “very soft” in France. So I don’t see why Nicholls shouldn’t try the horse at 2m4f on heavy ground at Sandown.
Value Is EverythingLaurina entered Punchestown. I thought she had retired. Also returned to Ireland (not Mullins).
The stormy Ireland one is easy to explain.
Jumping fences out of heavy ground obviously didn’t suit her. Back to Ireland and runs on good ground over hurdles, being allowed to dictate from the front in a weakish race.
I am open to correction on this but I’ve done my research as best I can. I found that Paul Nicholls has never NEVER trained a mare to wn a grade 1. Nor has he ever trained a mare to win ANY race at the Cheltenham, Aintree or Punchestown festivals.
I could only find one example of him winning a grade 2 with a mare and that was earlier this season.Compare his record with mares to that of Mullins – Quevega, Annie Power, Apples Jade, Glens Melody, Let’s Dance, Vroum Vroum Mag, Limini, Whiteout, Benie Des Dieux, Gitane Du Berlais, burning victory, eglantine du seuil, relegate, petite parisienne, concertista….they are just the grade 1 or cheltenham winners I can think of
The Sullivans clearly didn’t share all these misgivings about Nicholls inability with fillys and mares.
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The issue with medication and testing is that that Irish authorities don’t do much in the way of testing horses between races, something which has become much more common in the UK.
If you listen to Kevin Blake on Betfair podcast, he touched on the subject. It’s like 9% of all horses in Ireland, and 10% in UK. All tested in UK labs by BHA. So not sure what you’re saying is accurate @apracing
Mullins did run Stormy Ireland twice at 2m4f on officially soft ground at Cheltenham, Jack. A course with an even stiffer uphill finish than Sandown. One of those when finishing just 2 1/4 lengths second to Roksana in the Mares Hurdle. He’d also twice run her on “very soft” in France. So I don’t see why Nicholls shouldn’t try the horse at 2m4f on heavy ground at Sandown.
Yep GT, i know she was raced over the trip…..point was she wasn’t necessarily at her best at that trip. Benie was looking like she’d win that race easy, Roksana has proven herself to not be top notch over 2m4.
Not saying Nicholls shouldn’t try it, but when it goes wrong, don’t blame the sudden improvement on medication, rather, good ground and a sharper track which plays to her strengths.
Given she had a hard time chasing beforehand, it’s perfectly understandable that a mare runs below par again, won’t be the first time it’s happened, won’t be the last.
Agree @thewexfordman.
The Sullivans clearly didn’t share all these misgivings about Nicholls inability with fillys and mares.
The Sullivan’s opinion isn’t necessarily right is it? I mean he moved the majority away from Nicholls in the first place.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Medication LOLLLLL
Anyone who thinks someone like willie mullins would risk a multi million £ a year business by doping has utterly lost the plot. Would have been caught long before now
As for a legal medications no one bar the trainer has any clue about, get real.
Tatling – more fool them…none of those mares have won a race under Nicholls. The Sullivan’s have won a grand total of 3 races this entire season, all of them in maiden hurdles back in the autumn.
Few more Mullins grade 1 winning mares that I had forgotten yesterday – Airlie Beach, Tarla, Adrianna Des Mottes and True Self.
I find the idea Paul Nicholls doesn’t know how to train female horses ludicrous to be honest.
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I didn’t say he doesn’t know how to do it, I just pointed out their competitive records.
There is a particular skill/s in training mares that Nicholls clearly doesn’t have much practice of, whereas Mullins excells at it.
Mullins also excells with bumper horses and hurdlers to an extent far greater than Nicholls.
On the other hand, Nicholls seems to have a particular skill with training chasers
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