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That overround is the price you pay for the generous place offers made by the online bookmakers whose prices form the SP nowadays.
Anyway, things were much worse in the dark ages. Check out this for blatant profiteering and bear in mind, it would have been three places and one fifth the odds for each way backers:
https://www.racingpost.com/results/93/windsor/1990-03-05/33861
That’s robbery! But isn’t a fifth the odds (as opposed to a quarter) relatively recent? Still robbery though.
That reminds me on when I go to Stainforth Bags, where the two chalk bookies have all six priced up 7/2 or lower no matter what.
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Lots of good points here IMO and the extra places is definitely a significant factor.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Back on subject – intersting to note ‘Stormy Ireland’ was returned from Paul Nicholls to Willie Mullins, who immediately found about 20lb of improvement from what Nicholls could manage, in a single run, to win Mullins a Grade 2.
How interesting…….
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Is that relevant? My point is that, for some reason, Willie Mullins is able to get a racehorse to perform to a standard 20lb better than Paul Nicholls can. I am interested in to why. I doubt it is because Paul Nicholls doesn’t know what he is doing.
Edit – Sorry I missed your wink. Yes, I follow.
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What you reckon it is TTC?
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Who was Paul Nicholl’s last good speedy hurdler?
When has Stormy Ireland ever shown 2m4 on Heavy ground to be her optimum given her runstyle?
She ran around a sharp Fairyhouse on yielding ground in what was a pretty poor race in the end- she had one rival the rest had stopped.On her chase debut she was only beaten 2ls by a 151 rated chaser, finishing well beaten but still 2nd in the Arkle. Given shes tiny and probably has zero scope for a fence, i wouldn’t say that’s miles off her level of form. That was 2m on decent ground…….
The medication argument doesn’t really stand up unless the Irish trainers have found a mysterious drug that the BHA drug squad cannot detect, as they are the ones that oversee Irish testing as well. Presumably when the English had a good time of it winning everything it was down to medication too?
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!So long as I as a punter have backed the winner, I do not care if said winner is trained in the UK, Ireland, or on the planet Mars.
This is yet another fake crisis dreamed up by the racing media – unless you’re part of a hitherto top UK yard it doesn’t affect you.
As a punter, unless the BHA adjusts their ratings, it needs to be assumed they are generally a bit better than their marks and in the Grade 1s the cream of the Irish Point winners and Stores are staying in Ireland nowadays.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Jack – Your opinion summarised appears to be that Paul Nicholls doesn’t know what he is doing. I disagree, but thats racing – a game of opinions.
IanD – Not everyone just watches racing for betting purposes. If I am a watching a Grade 1, I would like to think I am actually watching Grade 1 horses. The highest standard. Not just the best of the rest until the Irish horses come over.
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“Not everyone just watches racing for betting….”
I am dreadfully sorry, you completely lost me after the word “betting!”
Try substituting the word “betting” for “breathing” and you will understand how I feel, sir!
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Not sure I can make sense of that one Ian……but I was responding to your comment, “So long as I as a punter have backed the winner, I do not care if said winner is trained in the UK, Ireland, or on the planet Mars.”
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Not in that particular moment, but when you’ll be studying the same race one year later you might be interested in trends. One of them could be UK-trained, Irish-trained or even Mars-trained.
I’ve just clicked through Nicholl’s Big Race Wins on his website…certainly not saying he doesn’t know what he’s doing at all. Majority are interestinly chasers though! In this circumstance, he’s got a horse from a yard who have had her since 2017. Not once did said trainer put her over fences. 15 runs, 6 wins 4 seconds.
Nicholls gets her and straight sends her out over fences, are we to be shocked it didn’t work out with a tiny mare?
He then runs her over 2m4 on heavy Sandown going, with a 4f uphill finish, with a mare that we know is very keen and wears her heart on her sleeve?I think on this occasion it’s been a case of knowing the horse better which can be expected, he’s had her since December 17.
Again, you mentioned medication, did you mention it when Nicholl’s had a raft of quality animals and when the UK were dominating all the festivals?
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