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It’s a factual statement, not a tip Yeats.
Do your own working out and maybe you’ll get on before they’ve won.
Aftertiming at its best
Any Tom, Dick or Harry can put up winners after the event that fit a particular criteria. Expect there were plenty of losers yesterday from “trainers in form” as well as a few winners from “trainers out of form”.
In my experience the best trainers are the most patient and I expect to see some like Sir Michael start to thrive again now that the ground has dried out.
And how!!!!
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
It’s a factual statement, not a tip Yeats.
Do your own working out and maybe you’ll get on before they’ve won.
Aftertiming at its best
Any Tom, Dick or Harry can put up winners after the event that fit a particular criteria. Expect there were plenty of losers yesterday from “trainers in form” as well as a few winners from “trainers out of form”.
Why bother starting threads? :lol:
You’re so negative Yeats.Read the thread again. I’ve said previously, you’d see am not advocating punters backing “in form trainers” blindly. It should be in conjunction with horse form. So of course there will be horses from “in form trainers” which don’t win.
What am saying is: I add (or subtract) a bit to what I believe the “horse form” indicates is worth, depending on how hot/cold (I believe) the trainers is… Or to put it another way… If a horse comes from a trainer I consider “in form”, the price I am willing to take is quite a lot shorter than another from one with exactly the same horse form that I believe comes from a trainer in fair, modest or poor form… And for me it pays off. If wanting to see how it works in practice (and see tips pre-race) then by all means take a look at any of my DLAP threads.
Value Is EverythingIf wanting to see how it works in practice (and see tips pre-race) then by all means take a look at any of my DLAP threads.
Look up David Griffiths form.
Backed at 16/1 yesterday, down to 8/1 SP.
Value Is EverythingStoute was running at less than 10% not that long ago and as soon as I mentioned it he got a few winners. I took the hint and have been doing him at Goodwood this week.
Just checked his figures and he’s just a gnat’s knacker off 30% now.
Gosden was the same between Ascot and the July meeting, with a lull and then an excellent Newmarket.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
He’s 10 from 23 since that post. If anyone ignores that sort of form they need their brains testing.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
He’s 10 from 23 since that post. If anyone ignores that sort of form they need their brains testing.
Exactly Joni, when going directly from out of form to in form, the degree to which the trainer is in form gets missed. Some trainers in form stats take too long a time span in to account.
Value Is EverythingMy main bets on Saturday are from Roger Charlton (Last 14 days 40%) and Andrew Balding (Last 14 days 25.4%)
Robert Cowell is 0/21 the past Fortnight 0% and Richard Fahey is less than 9%.
That may, or may not be of interest/assistance when picking selections this weekend.
I will also be with Ralph Beckett, as he is 10/27, 37.04% this past fortnight.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
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Sorry lads, decided don’t want to give away too many secrets.Value Is EverythingDeleted.
Sorry lads, decided don’t want to give away too many secrets.Value Is EverythingMore aftertiming from Gingertipster, only prepared to leave posts up that prove him right, which are usually after the event. Wait’s till the afternoon’s racing is finished, why not delete before racing started?
No doubt he was disappointed with Stoute’s 0 from 7 and Becketts 1 13/8 winner from 5 amongst others.
You can bet if he had been proved right the posts would have stayed up.
He was so rattled by results he deleted twice
If as he states he doesn’t want to give away too many secrets (we’re all gutted) then why bother starting the threads in the first place?
If you’ve nothing to hide you should welcome constructive criticism like the justified one of you aftertiming “Some good winners for “trainers in form” at Ascot on Friday” post.
More aftertiming from Gingertipster, only prepared to leave posts up that prove him right, which are usually after the event. Wait’s till the afternoon’s racing is finished, why not delete before racing started?
No doubt he was disappointed with Stoute’s 0 from 7 and Becketts 1 13/8 winner from 5 amongst others.
You can bet if he had been proved right the posts would have stayed up.
He was so rattled by results he deleted twice
If as he states he doesn’t want to give away too many secrets (we’re all gutted) then why bother starting the threads in the first place?
If you’ve nothing to hide you should welcome constructive criticism like the justified one of you aftertiming “Some good winners for “trainers in form” at Ascot on Friday” post.
What a mean post. Ginger posts all his tips on his Daily, Lays and Plays thread so it’s there for all of us to see including a brilliant tip for the Sir Michael Stoute trained Queen’s Trust in the w/o Minding market. If you looked at it you would see how much profit he made this week benefiting precisely from what is talked about on this thread. Anyone would think you have something personal against him Yeats. Poor show.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Yeah Yeats, you’ve gone too far this time. GT is acting a bit strangely but he doesn’t deserve that level of abuse. Save it for me and the bookmaking industry.
I usually nominate you for Poster of the Year but you’ve got some work to do to sway me away from Goreisking for 2016.
I introduced reliability ratings for trainers, winning when backed. I followed some of the higher rated trainers but could no produce a high enough strike rate despite adding several filters over many weeks. It’s binned.
I think if you ONLY go by trainer form you might struggle to make a profit. Yesterday one could have backed 7 Stoute horses blind and lost heavily. Or one could have looked at which ones had the form to go close safe in the knowledge that they were likely to run to form or better as indeed happened with 5 out of the 7. Trainer form is one of the factors (and an important one) but not the only one.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
For me trainer form is particularly important when attempting to pick out a big-field handicap winner, or a 2yo debutant. Or one of those Group 3 horses than wins once a year when conditions suit.
Michael Bell made it easy this week, Franklin D the big field handicap pick and Big Orange the horse that wins when conditions suit (admittedly 2 wins this year though)
You can’t back every runner from a yard, it’s nigh on impossible to make a profit that way.
I actually didn’t fancy any of Stoute’s yesterday and was on Projection from Roger Charlton and Dancing Star from Andrew Balding. Projection ran well in 5th and Dancing Star won. I also did
Of The negatives Richard Fahey was 1/15 yesterday and 0/5 so far today. Robert Cowell was 0/5 yesterday with Toofi rubbish in the Stewards Cup and a 7/4 shot beaten.
I am posting to try to advise. It’s up to people reading it to make what they will of it. I expect most probably ignore what I write anyway and that’s their prerogative if they wish to go with a stable that is not firing at their best.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
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