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    obiwankenobi
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    Seems that Paul has a problem on his hands, media day off as some horses are coughing. Hope they come good soon.

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    HurdygurdymanHurdygurdyman
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    He ran nearly 20% of his horses in 2 days and only had 1 winner. On face value you’d have to think it’s a major problem and they are not showing the symptoms until they run.

    No doubt the stable stars will be housed well away from the others but there must be a limit to how many can be isolated.

    Be a bad time to be closing down for a couple of weeks. I wish him luck.

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    milbear0milbear0
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    Kauto stones run over the weekend was too bad to be true. Nipper and zarkandar seemed to hold their form, it would be tragic if big bucks or kauto star were to miss the festival.

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    Eclipse First
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    No, it would be tragic if they were to run when not fit enough to do themselves justice or worse. It would be sad if they didn’t make the festival.

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    theplasticpaddy
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    Well there will be plenty of people in the west country who will appreciate the sang froid of Nicholls having the lurgy. Always amazes me that a man that unpopular in the immediate racing community can be so popular in the media. Would be a shame for Big Bucks and Kauto Star but the former could probably win the stayers pulling a train anyway and I can’t see kauto winning the Gold Cup although i wouldn’t mind him proving me wrong.

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    MarkTTMarkTT
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    He ran nearly 20% of his horses in 2 days

    No doubt the stable stars will be housed well away from the others but there must be a limit to how many can be isolated.

    Two stable stars, Zarkandar and Rock On Ruby, are in different yards.

    Be interesting to know which yard has the problem, or is it both.

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    theplasticpaddy
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    He ran nearly 20% of his horses in 2 days

    No doubt the stable stars will be housed well away from the others but there must be a limit to how many can be isolated.

    Two stable stars, Zarkandar and Rock On Ruby, are in different yards.

    Be interesting to know which yard has the problem, or is it both.

    If the problem is at Richard Barber’s it wouldn’t have affected many of saturday’s runners. Would think bio security would be half sensible and the yards are 20 miles apart at least.

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    ivanjicaivanjica
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    Am I missing something, but if it is obvious that there is a virus in the yard, is it not in the best interest of the horses that they are kept from the racetrack until such time as 100% fitness can be assured.

    I would have thought that would be fair not only to punters but also the owners. Surely running a sick horse can do more damage than good?

    Also intrigued to know more about Nicholls being "unpopular in the immediate racing community". Why is that? What has he done to upset them?

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    The Young FellaThe Young Fella
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    Neptune Collonges ran well this weekend and he lives on ‘Millionaire’s Row’. That bodes well for his neighbours Big Buck’s and Kauto Star. I would be unsure about moving them to Richard Barber’s yard though. Imagine if they already have the bug in its early stage, move up the road and infect Zarkandar and co. Nicholls would be in big trouble with his owners.

    As for Nicholls being unpopular – I didn’t realise he was. The only incident I can think of is when he ran Sporazene in the County Hurdle to make a mockery of the weights and set it up for Desert Quest. Many trainers were furious about that.

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    theplasticpaddy
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    Am I missing something, but if it is obvious that there is a virus in the yard, is it not in the best interest of the horses that they are kept from the racetrack until such time as 100% fitness can be assured.

    I would have thought that would be fair not only to punters but also the owners. Surely running a sick horse can do more damage than good?

    Also intrigued to know more about Nicholls being "unpopular in the immediate racing community". Why is that? What has he done to upset them?

    Lots and lots of anecdotes about PN, go racing to Wincanton/ Taunton and ask people what they think of the man. It doesn’t make any difference though, Paul Barber doesn’t pay the man to be polite to people he pays him to win gold cups, something at which he has shown himself highly capable. Everyone you speak to, interested in racing in the south west seems to be desperate for Henderson to knock him off his perch. But like I say, he won’t care because he has the bigger picture to deal with. Anyway, none of that is the horses fault and they would be my concern.

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    Lone WolfLone Wolf
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    I don’t care what people who dislike him think. Where are their colums and regular updates and articles ?…yeah thought so !

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    SteeplechasingSteeplechasing
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    From PFN Betfair column.

    Paul Nicholls: Coughs Go As Quickly As They Come Viewmarket Viewmarket

    Paul gives you the full update on the health of his horses after a weekend of disappointing performances. But every cloud has a silver lining as it’ll take more than a cough to stop Zarkandar winning…

    It would be fair to say that Saturday wasn’t a great day at the office for me. Plenty of our horses didn’t show their true form and even Dan mentioned to me on the drive home that, as far as he could remember, this was the first Saturday we didn’t have a winner since he has been working with me.

    In fact we have only had one winner in our last 31 runners; not a particularly good stat to read. I don’t like giving excuses but I do want to keep punters informed and, as our weekends runners came back from the track, a good few of them had dirty noses and were coughing. Nothing serious but it’s got to be monitored and gives us some clues as to why a few of the team didn’t run to their true form, which was plain to see. Coughs come and go at yards and there is always the odd horse with one but, in the past few days, we have started noticing more. We are sticklers for keeping our yard as healthy as can be with bi-annual flu jobs as well as regular steam cleaning of the horses boxes and stables – nothing is left to chance. But unfortunately horses can pick these coughs up when visiting the track and bring them back home.

    The horses who have come with back dirty noses and coughs will get antibiotics. Depending on the horse it can be three to five days before they are back in full training. It’s much like when we get a head cold – the whole thing goes as quickly as it comes. Sometimes you might hear a cough a day or two before they go to the races but they still work well. Until they’ve had gone through the full stress of a race it really doesn’t come to the fore. Ourselves and other yards are no strangers to this. We’ve headed into Cheltenham before on so called "terrible form" but end up banging in a few winners at the Sandown meeting and having a great Festival.

    The one highlight of last week was Zarkandar’s performance in the Betfair Hurdle. Especially as he was one who came back from Newbury with filthy nose and cough. Add that to the fact the race was not run at a pace to suit, his performance has me even more excited about his chances come the festival! Zarkandar be back out cantering on Wednesday once he has finsihed his course of antibiotics.

    Silivinaico Conti and Kauto Stone both disappointed but neither have shown any signs of illness since. In fact Buffy has run tests and washes on a lot of the horses and 80% haven’t shown any negative signs. I think Silvinaico needed the run more than I thought as he didn’t find much after the second last and we’ll go straight to Aintree with him. I’ll expect huge improvement from him there. Whilst Kauto Stone was way to head strong and looks like he ruined his chances by the time he got to the business end of the race. The plan is still the Ryanair for him as we know he is better than Saturday’s showing.

    In case you’re wondering whether Kauto Star, Big Buck’s, Join Together or Al Ferof have been affected, they haven’t and are all in good form. If anything changes I’ll be straight on here to tell you as quickly as I can.

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    Never argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience, then onlookers might not be able to tell the difference. https://lazybet.com/

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    grey dolphingrey dolphin
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    Lots and lots of anecdotes about PN, go racing to Wincanton/ Taunton and ask people what they think of the man. It doesn’t make any difference though, Paul Barber doesn’t pay the man to be polite to people he pays him to win gold cups, something at which he has shown himself highly capable. Everyone you speak to, interested in racing in the south west seems to be desperate for Henderson to knock him off his perch. But like I say, he won’t care because he has the bigger picture to deal with. Anyway, none of that is the horses fault and they would be my concern.

    Smacks of sour grapes to me. I’ve always found Nicholls to be an order of magnitude more open than his rival in Lambourn, and for that reason alone, I don’t begrudge him any of his success.

    It takes a genius to keep horses sweet year after year after year. And Nicholls is clearly a genius.

    #392729
    theplasticpaddy
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    Stories about abusing rival trainers wives in the paddock using foul language? How many other trainers does PN socialise with? Like I say, PN is not paid to be polite to people and the gap between his public perception and his perception among people who have actually met him is as big as that of anyone I know of in the world of sport. Put it this way, if he winds up with a problem as serious as Jonjo’s was I don’t think he can expect anything like the loyalty JP showed to Jonjo. Not sour grapes at all btw, he behaves as he does and is a winner so fair play to the fella as that is obviously what matters to him and he is successful. I am just a mug punter so it really doesn’t worry me too much and he certainly doesn’t owe me anything but it is fair enough to say there is a gap between his public and private reputations. But as I have always said, Horses don’t choose their connections, just ask Niche Market, Crack away jack, Tricky Trickster whose careers went down the pan as soon as they moved to the champion trainer!?!?!!???

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    HurdygurdymanHurdygurdyman
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    I don’t know Paul Nichol’s but he wouldn’t be my idea of a guy to have a beer with.

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    He definitely comes across like he’d be the top salesman of any large corp, having spent most of my life in marketing. You get to know one when you see one as they say.

    You have to respect the man. He is very skilful at saying things that keeps the owners happy without making it too obvious he doesn’t believe half the things he saying himself. And he does get paid very well by Betfair to be nice to us the racing public.

    That’s good business.

    A quick look at the horses he has in his yard tells you he has a varied selection of owners and even if he lost a few of the top owners he’d still be a force to reckon with.

    All in all he’s first class trainer and businessman. Fair play to him

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