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I picked a random 2yo race from 2019 showing the last date the horse ran.
Hamilton – Fri 19 Jul 2019
Maiden Stakes 6f C4 2yo1st: Byline 11 Sept 2020 No entries
2nd: Dark Regard 09 July 2020 No entries
3rd: Magic Timing 22 May 2020 No Entries
4th: Lexington Warefare 16 July 2021
5th: My Dandy Doc 17 Sept 2020 No Entries
6th: Rominintheglomin 02 Dec 2020 No EntriesIt’s now July 2021………….I assume five out of the six without entries are showjumping, eventing, dressage or pleasure riding horses now? I hope!!
The 6.05 at Leicester this coming Wednesday is a seller which has attracted ten entries aged between three and five.
I wonder where these ten horses will be in, say, five years’ time?
https://www.racingpost.com/racecards/30/leicester/2021-07-28/788197/
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Well, listening to many comments from the racing world recently, rehomed and retrained of course.
Rominintheglomin was owned by Thistle Bloodstock & trained by Andrew Hughes, the same connections of Tartan Spartan, so I wouldn’t hold out much hope for him I’m afraid
For those who missed the earlier post
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/horse-owners-embarrassed-perfectly-good-stallion-sent-for-slaughter-court-told-1.4187053Byline has gone on to success in Bahrain https://shadwellstud.com/news/byline-making-a-big-splash-in-bahrain-for-muhaarar/.
I couldn’t find anything on the others from the Hamilton maiden from a very cursory internet search. Dark Regard is no longer listed as being in training with Mark Johnston on his website.
I really hope I’m wrong, but I suspect the chance of all of them still being alive is unpromising.
Dark Regard was sold at the Tattersalls mares’ sale at the end of last year for £34,000
I’ve just read through this whole thread and I think most things that needed saying have probably been said. I have only ever commented before on the Gordon Elliot thread, and no, i am not only interested in the bad side of racing, but i am very concerned about horse welfare in general. I would just like to say a few things i havn’t seen mentioned. The use of a rifle on the horses looked totally wrong,and to many people illegal. I have only ever held one horse to be shot (by a vet), a brood mare in severe pain with a twisted gut. The vet used a small pistol. But years ago, an online horsey forum was up in arms over a ” disgusting” slaughterhouse video. I refused to view it, I don’t like to see horses abused, but eventually I just had to watch, to know what they were all talking about. Well, it was an Animal Aid undercover video at Potter’s in Bristol. I prepared myself for the horrific scenes, needlessly as it turned out. All horses (a lot of TBs) were led in quietly, just as if they were walking into their own stable. They stood for a second, had the gun (rifle) put to their head and dropped quietly. I watched approx 12 put down and every single one was a quiet, quick, stress free end. The use of a rifle looked ungainly but seemed to be used expertly – years later I learned that the man using it was a real horseman, he felt so strongly about horses having a stress-free end,that he trained as a slaughter man and had that rifle specially designed, as the long barrel meant the horse could not see it and hence did not get upset. Horses do have a blind spot directly in front of them. I suspect that man is retired by now, and that pratt at Drurys deserves shooting himself. And the vet needs to be struck off.
It was intetsting to see Mark Johnston mentioned on here – he is one trainer who I shouldn’t think gives two hoots about what happens to his horses when they leave his yard. He is incredibly hard on his horses, I know Deidre did/does retrain some for eventing but an awful lot will have had every last ounce wrung out of them whilst in training. Oh,and on a mainly Irish racing group,I am reliably informed that the nice Animal Aid man,Dene Hansall was himself convicted of animal cruelty,starving horses, in the past! You couldn’t make it up!Jan, I agree with your comment on Mark Johnston, I wouldn’t like to be one of his horses in training!
Re ITV’s response. I really didn’t know what to expect but it didn’t feel like much to be honest. However, I deff feel like this wouldn’t have been brought up in any previous year/ by other channel providers in the past. So maybe that IS progress – starting public, terrestrial conversation on the topic.
Interesting that Ireland will be working with the Garda but can’t say I hold out much hope on it all. Like I said, they are all only sorry now they have been caught!
– Jade
Time flies like a banana, flies are like arrows...fruit?.. wait, no....
Griff, I also sometimes do this. I like to pick a random horse occasionally and see its form etc. It is then interesting to see where the other horses ended up out of the same race. A lot of the time there are dead ends.
Additionally, sometimes I will look on a horses form and think to myself – ‘sorry, you might not make it much longer as a racehorse’. (I.e they have very very little prospects)
It’s almost as if there are too many racehorses being bred… like someone brought up earlier in the thread, so many are just made for Class Six races etc.Time flies like a banana, flies are like arrows...fruit?.. wait, no....
Racing Post says Souede and Munir are removing their horses from the Elliott yard, presumably due to what this program brought to light (can’t read the article as it’s for members only).
I am reliably informed that the nice Animal Aid man,Dene Hansall was himself convicted of animal cruelty,starving horses,
Well, did your reliable informant cite any particulars? Because if untrue that’s skating pretty close to libel for a public forum. I think his surname is Stansall but searching under both and also both spellings of his forename I could not find any reference to a cruelty case against him. Of course he could have changed his name or perhaps employed one of those web search cleaner-upper types (not sure how that works) but still I think you should have something to back that up.
Even if he has abused horses in the past, at least he’s doing something about it. ‘Convicted’, if this allegation is indeed true, would suggest that he’s done his sentence. He’s now going further and raising awareness. Good on him.
Well I have to say that ITV did better than I expected today; certainly way better than any previous terrestrial broadcaster. Giving the last word to Richard Hoiles was a very smart move, leaving it to the most analytical mind in the team and the person who, by virtue of being the commentator, is at some remove from the access question. Not only did he take the argument to the BHA representative, grounding his piece to camera on the 4k figure. He also emphasised the need for racing to grasp the nettle with this rather than attempt to brush it under the carpet, and to close the loopholes that allow these practices. 1m people watched that Panorama according to RH – many more than diehard racing fans. Many of them will have been ITV racing viewers. The last thing that ITV needs is to lose its audience over this – and there was, quite rightly, a sombre transition from this (the serious business) to the racing. Quite how they take the issues forward I don’t know, but I hope they are giving this some thought. Immediate thoughts that I have that would feed into programme content: 1) promote after-care welfare in their broadcasts even more as a routine feature. This would be to go beyond the one-off [insert famous name] ‘where are they now’ 30 second video clip, or Greatwood Day feature. Done seriously this could work to aid and support the work of the re-homing/re-training charities, through increasing donations and gifts; 2) follow a small selection of horses through that process, so more people come to realise the challenges and the diversity of post racing roles; 3) And in a rather more investigative style, keep following that Frankel foal from 2017 … Indigo Lake, left Clarehaven at the end of 2020, sold as part of the Juddmonte consignment at the HiT Sales for 95k; now gelded, had wind surgery, and according to the RP now with the Newland yard, with his last run being 5/8 in a maiden hurdle at Market Rasen back in February.
https://www.tattersalls.com/search-results?criterion=Indigo+Lake
Tonge – Thanks for the information on Dark Regard, which would again appear positive based on the limited detail available.
Titus Oates – Was otherwise enagaged, so have not seen the ITV Racing discussion yet, but will look it up online. It sounds pretty encouraging from your description though.
@Titus Oates I agree with you having now watched the ITV Racing coverage. They seemed to cover the issue to a reasonable degree and Richard Hoiles in particular made a lot of good points. I was less impressed by the comments from Barry Johnson (Chair of the BHA Horse Welfare Board) in his interview. There was a lot of talk from him of “isolated incidents”, and his suggestion that only a few racehorses slip through the cracks and need to be dealt with by the rehabilitation charities seemed very bizarre for someone in his position.
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