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was last horse to do the English / Irish Derby double, i think NA looks set to join him, Just wondering what people though of HC? to me he is my Fav Flat horse for different reasons, but have always felt that the racing media & public to a certain extent never gave him the recognition he deserved as a duel Derby & Breeders cup winner would normally get, would you agree or am i wide of the mark?
I think High Chaparral was a very good horse indeed. His record speaks for itself.
Admittedly he beat his non – staying stablemate ( Hawk Wing) at Epsom still a good performance – but he also, as you say, won the Irish Derby and went on to finish third in the Arc. He defeated the brilliant Falbrav as a four year old in the Irish Champion Stakes and he dead -heated in the Breeders Cup Turf. A tough and talented racehorse.
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A great racehorse but doesn’t seem to be emulating the success of Galileo and Montjeu at stud which is a shame (early days admittedly).
I think High Chaparral was a very good horse indeed. His record speaks for itself.
Admittedly he beat his non – staying stablemate ( Hawk Wing) at Epsom still a good performance – but he also, as you say, won the Irish Derby and went on to finish third in the Arc. He defeated the brilliant Falbrav as a four year old in the Irish Champion Stakes and he dead -heated in the Breeders Cup Turf. A tough and talented racehorse.
(i’m sure you know) but he won 2 breeders cup’s not many have achieved this let alone 2derbys……….. 10wins 1 2nd & 2 3rd’s out of 13 runs over 3mill in prize money still think he is not thought of highly enough
Early days for sure – but admittedly I have not even heard of a decent High Chaparral horse. He is being carted by Galileo and Montjeu.
Dual Breeders’ Cup Turf victories has to be admired.
Early days for sure – but admittedly I have not even heard of a decent High Chaparral horse. He is being carted by Galileo and Montjeu.
Dual Breeders’ Cup Turf victories has to be admired.
i am not to up on Flat racing, but are people only going to judge him on his Stud performances and not what he acheived in racing? i cant think of any horse in the last 15-20 years to achieve what he did on racecourse over that distance,if he won the arc he prob woyuld have got more recognition?
if there is i hold my hands up!!High Chaparral was a brilliant horse on the track but of his first crop probably the best three Ive noticed are Sugar Mint, Beach Bunny and Ramona Chase. Despite plenty of early season hype in coolmore adverts for High Chaparral where they stated that William Hogarth was working extremely well, he has done very little on the track.
I will still always remember how good HC was on the track, but its pretty fair to say that much more was expected of him at stud.
High Chaparral was a brilliant horse on the track but of his first crop probably the best three Ive noticed are Sugar Mint, Beach Bunny and Ramona Chase. Despite plenty of early season hype in coolmore adverts for High Chaparral where they stated that William Hogarth was working extremely well, he has done very little on the track.
I will still always remember how good HC was on the track, but its pretty fair to say that much more was expected of him at stud.
Excuse my ignorance, but is that why the Press dont give him the recognition imo he deserves, or did they?
Another 3 good High Chaparrals I’ve noticed are
1. Senlis – Italian trained, has won a G3 there, he’s rated 111.
2. Magadan – French trained, had an early season win over the well-regarded Montmartre – Magadan’s highest rating 104, but I think he can do better.
3. Ancient Lights – winner of his only start, a 10f maiden, got a rating of 89+ – Henry Cecil thinks very highly of this one. Watch with interest.
Not a great start like Montjeu and Galileo, but I’m really hoping there’s more to come from his progeny before he’s relegated to the sidelines.
Ballydoyle is for racing; Coolmore is for breeding. As long as Montjue and Galileo are sending out Derby winners you won’t hear anything from Coolmore about HighChaparrel,it is hard to compete with their records. Dylan Thomas was sent to Australia where his sire Danehill is considered superior to Sadlers Wells even(no Derby in Australia).Money is what talks and Derby winners make money.
Sorry? There are Derbies in Australia.
But for the record – staying pedigrees are a thing of the past in them. A colt by More Than Ready won the Victoria Derby in 2005!
High Chapparal ran noticably (and unusually) below form every time he ran right handed. I believe this is a plausible reason for his Arc (relative) failures. I believe this horse is under-rated, beating Falbrav over 10f as after a troubled 4yo preperation was a truly magnificent achievement.
High Chapparal ran noticably (and unusually) below form every time he ran right handed. I believe this is a plausible reason for his Arc (relative) failures. I believe this horse is under-rated, beating Falbrav over 10f as after a troubled 4yo preperation was a truly magnificent achievement.
Thats what i think, 10 wins out of 13 races over 3mill in prize money says it all you are correct on the right handed track also
He defeated the brilliant Falbrav as a four year old in the Irish Champion Stakes
I think that reasons other than HC’s pure ability were responsible for that win….
I couldnt describe him as a "brilliant" horse at all. He ran with credit in two arcs, but was beaten reasonable comfortably and beyond the execellent derby performance, there wasnt an awful lot to get genuinely excited about
I’m not comfortable with the right-handed theory. In 2002, for example, he was ill during the summer and went into the Arc with no prep. That seems a more likely reason for any perceived under-performance in that race.
Either way, when running third in an Arc is what you do on your off-days, you must be good
Two Derbys, two Breeders Cup Turfs, an Irish Champion Stakes and an RP Trophy is a fine haul, particularly for a horse who was forced to miss important parts of his 3 and 4yo seasons due to illness and injury, and he also had his fair share of dramatic races – not least that amazing three way photo in his second BC Turf which will surely go down as one of the most exciting finishes ever.
He was certainly a very high class horse and doesn’t seem to get the recognition he deserves for 6 group 1 wins, he was also the American champion male turf horse two years running. It is too early in his stud career to say he won’t be as good as Galileo who imo was not as good a racehorse.
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