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November 27, 2012 at 15:31 #420996
Alfie Spinner for me although it might ruin his weight for the Welsh National. Probably can’t ignore Fruity and Magnanimity as well.
November 27, 2012 at 15:38 #420999I got my money on Bobs Worth, Underdogs will surely dominate this.
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November 27, 2012 at 18:17 #421006I must be mad, I’ve got Diamond Harry carrying my dosh here this is definitely his last chance though, if he fails here it wouldn’t surprise me if he was retired early. However, the chance of that one more big run at Newbury was just too tempting…….
November 27, 2012 at 19:58 #421013Any one got any thoughts on Saint Are was just looking at Tim Vaughans web site and back in April he said this about the horse
"I am hopeful he can develop further into a Graded chaser in 2012/13, with the Hennessy at Newbury a possible initial target."
has won over 3 miles and went well in soft ground possible each way?November 27, 2012 at 20:06 #421016Any one got any thoughts on Saint Are was just looking at Tim Vaughans web site and back in April he said this about the horse
"I am hopeful he can develop further into a Graded chaser in 2012/13, with the Hennessy at Newbury a possible initial target."
has won over 3 miles and went well in soft ground possible each way?I won’t write him off but surely you need more than that to put your money down?
November 27, 2012 at 20:06 #421017I can’t for the life of me understand why
Quito De La Roque
hasn’t been given an entry in this. Surely 3m 2f on soft ground would suit him down to the ground.
Totally agree with you, THM. Quito De La Roque’s absence does suggest Gigginstown confidence in their other runners, in my opinion.
November 27, 2012 at 20:10 #421020Any one got any thoughts on Saint Are was just looking at Tim Vaughans web site and back in April he said this about the horse
"I am hopeful he can develop further into a Graded chaser in 2012/13, with the Hennessy at Newbury a possible initial target."
has won over 3 miles and went well in soft ground possible each way?Aintree specialist? Can’t see him going on the ground but good luck!
November 27, 2012 at 20:13 #421022Carruthers only 1lb higher than last year and has form on heavy…if Mattie can get him to the front early he’d have a decent chance.
November 27, 2012 at 20:15 #421023I must be mad, I’ve got Diamond Harry carrying my dosh here this is definitely his last chance though, if he fails here it wouldn’t surprise me if he was retired early. However, the chance of that one more big run at Newbury was just too tempting…….
Heavy ground may be key to the horse, definitely worth some interest at the likely odds.
November 27, 2012 at 20:15 #421024Quito De La Roque’s absence does suggest Gigginstown confidence in their other runners, in my opinion.
Any idea which, if not both, they’re sending over? I can’t have my Gold Cup nugget First Lieutenant on that bog which only leaves Magnanimity.
November 27, 2012 at 20:41 #421028Any idea which, if not both, they’re sending over? I can’t have my Gold Cup nugget First Lieutenant on that bog which only leaves Magnanimity.
I have no idea. I’ll wait until the final decs before taking a firm view. Davy Russell’s choice between them will be obviously be key if both run. I know it was a shocking RSA that Magnanimity finished close-up in, but surely a rating of just 143 is too low for him at his best. Was that RSA run really a full 35lbs+ away from Gold Cup standard?
November 28, 2012 at 11:32 #421071That drift on The Package did not look good. Look doomed.
Thankfully support for Fruity O’ Rooney, 20s and 25s in places now.
November 28, 2012 at 15:38 #421090Why is no one talking about Tidal Bay? Has he been pulled?
November 28, 2012 at 18:35 #421105I agree with Kid Choc that Frisco Depot should go well. Well handicapped with Magnanimity on their running in Ireland. Hope the jockey claims the full allowance. Put up 2lbs overweight at Ascot.
November 29, 2012 at 09:53 #421161I agree with Kid Choc that Frisco Depot should go well. Well handicapped with Magnanimity on their running in Ireland. Hope the jockey claims the full allowance. Put up 2lbs overweight at Ascot.
My pin fell on Frisco Depot in the end too. He did take a pearling fall at Ascot, so I just hope that doesn’t affect the horse mentally. First Lieutenant, Hold On Julio and Magnanimity are the ones I fear most.
A few notes on others: Carruthers hasn’t had as long to get over his prep race as he did last year. He seems more unwilling than ever, too. Tidal Bay would be a Gold Cup contender if he could win this off top weight. On all the years of evidence, he has never been at that standard. I can’t see him producing a substantial career-best at 11, either.
I like Bobs Worth but think the ground will be an issue for him. Can’t see The Package having enough in hand at the weights.
November 29, 2012 at 11:41 #421165Davy Russell doesn’t make the trip to Newbury. Surely tells its own story.
November 29, 2012 at 14:58 #421178Judging by times today ground on the CHASE course is nowhere near as testing as you’d think from this week’s rain.
I’ve now backed First Lieutenent at 14/1.
Could the reason for Russell not coming over be they know he’ll be on Sir Des Champs at Cheltenham and want Cooper to know FL well come March? Cooper rode the horse well enough in the JN Wine, so why change? What’s Russell got for Saturday in Ireland? Anything good?Anyone know if there’s been any quotes from David Pipe about The Package? Went out to 33/1 in the week on betfair when top bookmaker’s price was 10/1, now back to 12/1 on betfair despite now declared at final decs. But the 12/1 is still quite a bit better than the top bookies price of 9/1.
Has he had an interupted preparation after Wincanton? If not I don’t see why shouldn’t be second favourite. Just seems strange; I believe was Pricewise ante-post tip and every time The Package runs a good race is well backed beforehand.
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