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I’m interested to know what the Racing Post headline was this morning (It’s very hard to get a copy down in Cornwall….very out the way :( )
Once again I’ll say Hawk Wing has the beating of the milers but it won’t be so easy stepped up or down in trip (6f). I’m not so convinced he’ll make his own running from now on either – it was a very astute decision by Kinane once Desert Deer was withdrawn. What odds that the O’Brien pacemaker will return for Ascot? And if he does meet Moon Ballad I’m sure Godolphin will have some tricks up their sleeve – tactically anyway. And didn’t Moon Ballad make most of his own running in the DWC? It would be quite interesting if they took each other on. Unlikely as it is it’s just a thought….
Did he not meet Moon Ballad once before in a little race at Epsom – I think Moon Ballad got within 12 lengths of him there so i have every faith in him reversing that!;)
Ah yes but Moon Ballad has improved from 3 to 4….maybe a little more than Hawk Wing has. He won a little race in Dubai and hammered Harlan’s Holiday by 5L with Grandera (past victor over Hawk Wing), Nayef and Aquarelliste in his wake.
Things are always changing….I think Moon Ballad will have made up the 12L now but we won’t know for a few weeks yet.
Mesh,<br>I know also of the problems getting a racing post, in Cornwalls forgotten corners, especially on a Sunday.<br>I think most of the headlines are the same as the online ones.<br>Dung<br>P.S. Like the new Avatar is that "the loch sibleyback monster"?
<br> a truly awesome performence yesterday
this horse will be come a legend
<br> he will not be beaten over 8-10f on good or faster ground
alas as a side note i doubt if he will be on offer at 11/4 -2/1 sp again
Mesh,
Nayef is most definitely not a dirt horse. It will be intersting to see how MB does against HW. By the way, how do come to the conclusion the MB has improved more than HW from 3-4?
Hawk Wing’s time yesterday wasn’t that great although that doesn’t detract from the outstanding performance he gave us. The most significant time performance if anyone’s interested was that of Zietory in the fillies’ handicap. She’ll win again.
John,
I said that perhaps he had improved a little more than HW. We’ll have to wait till they clash later on to confirm it but Moon Ballad wasn’t exactly winning/getting placed in the calibre of races Hawk Wing did in 2002. Then again Hawk Wing has clearly improved over the winter.
i think 4/6 is fantastic value for the Queen Anne. Just need to know if he runs in it or not. I cant believe some are saying that it was hype. The horse proved teh hype yesterday. Moon Ballad wouldnt see which way he went. I have some doubts about the form, but he belongs a class or two above WOW. He is only a handicapper when compared to the HW we saw on saturday. Something similar to that national stakes HW, and the 2000g HW.
But hold on WOW won a Qe2, Domedriver won a BC, Tillerman won a Queen Anne. HW is that good.
ROG didnt produce a performance like that in his life, yet was greeted as a mill reef/Brigadier gerard reincarnation.
Comparing him to Turtle Island is a joke, fatuous, and a complete misunderstanding of horse racing. IMHO. Looking to get favs beat is an important aspect of punting, but sometimes you dont see the wood for the trees.
IT was a performance that all racing fans should have been glad to witness. I hope that he does produce it again and unlike carvills Hills welsh national doesnt get forgotten as the one time he showed what he could do on the track.
Morgans,
I agree with everything you say, another record for this horse on Saturday, along with the record for 7F at the Curragh, he is a fantastic horse.
However, lets not take anything from ROG. He did after all win 7 group ones, so deserves to be hailed as the superstar he is.
<br>i have never doubted hw cant see anything to beat him over 8-10f this year unless of course there is an unraced 3 yo potential superstar to be unleased hardly likely
if a poor year for sprinters he could win a july cup as well other milers such as royal acadamy and last tycoon have won 8f and 6f races at grp 1 level
it is very hard to compare rog to hw as the racing style was different im sure if mk had held on to him for a cheeky 1l win or came from behind for a narrow victory the headlines would be different even if the ease of victory was the same
i see terry mills wants a second attempt this year against hw i hope he changes his mind as another thrashing may sour his horse
<br>It’s hard to be 100% (given funny camera angles) but I reckon Where Or When ran at least 13.5s for the final furlong in the Lockinge. That’s slow – he didn’t move in a straight line (Kevin Darley said something about the horses wheels having a problem…). Hawk Wing ran the last furlong in (appox.) 12.9s. He definately slowed up. Kinane rode a clever race and Hawk Wing’s speed was utilised in the middle part of the race.
The 11-lengths came about partly because Where Or When was struggling (Darley didn’t actually whip the horse once and wasn’t working at 100%).
Domedriver ran a bad race. He won the BC Mile although he’s probably a good G2 horse. An unlucky Rock Of Gibraltar at Arlington…he really should have finished the season unbeaten. Both Domedriver and Olden Times were miles down on their form (John Dunlop runners are struggling at the moment). It’s hard to guess at how far behind their better form Where Or When, Olden Times and Domedriver were – makes handicapping Hawk Wing’s performance difficult.
Whoever you use to rate this race from teh second to last HW has produced an outstanding ratings performance. For many people, who claim that his performance in last years 2000g was overhyped was as much to do with camera angles as anything, this was their proof in the pudding. (Camera angles are mentioned again here.)
For others, no matter what the horse does he will be crabbed as being an underachieving, bottler, who never justified the hype of stupid people who cannot rationalise form but believe the RP unquestioningly.
Would it cross you mind Rob that WOW ran the last furlong so slow because of the efforts put in the previous 7f. Every other horse must have ran well below form for HW to be just "above-average". I suppose its possible, but unlikely. MY idea was that they simply couldnt go his pace.
<br>robbo
aa are u suggesting that all the horses in the race ran some 12lb-20lb below their form one can be believed but all of them ????????????
bb he utilised his speed in the middle of the race and tired at the endwhat did you expect on his debut run to quicken in the middle of the race as he did and then to quicken again inside the final furlong
mick kinane rode a clever race i agree with you
darley said the ground was slippery as far as i am aware the ground was the same for hw
the 11 lenghts came about becuase wow was struggling im not sure as to your point as he certainly wouldnt have been beaten if he was tanking over hw ??? and i think so see a grp 1 winner struggling to lose by 11 lenghts is some pointer to the performence of the winner
a bit unfair to call a breeders cup mile winner a grp 2 horse but there again to beat a good grp2 horse by upwards of 19l is still some achievement.
the problem with this horse is he was unfairly crabbed last year and now people still want to pick holes
<br> i for some reason presume your addressing me ??
have i rattled your cage or something or did misses uberalles refuse your advances last night
may i suggest you take a step back and reread my post as i was certainly not jumping down robbos or come to think of it anyone elses throats
i was merely pointing out some fo the flaws that i think are contained in his argument which from prior debates with robbo i feel sure he dosnt object to
and needless to say i agree with you it pushed the realms of possiblity that the whole field behind ran so far below their form.
oh by the way how many performnces like this will it take to satisfy you ?????
no matter what he does surely you are not going to take saturdays achievement away from him.
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