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How do the resident experts feel Hawk Wing has performed as a Stallion? What has been his best offspring? He doesn’t apppear to have had a son / daughter to be a "flag bearer" for him. Has he been a dissapointment? I note he is standing in Korea, so I presume he is being shuffled down the Coolmore roster?
Woodman had a decent record as a sire but as a sire of sires he was considerably less successful.
Hawk Wing was brilliant on his day but given to finding ways of getting beaten. Aidan O’Brien waxed lyrical about him and gave the impression that until his Lockinge run, he had never shown his gallops form on the racecourse.His stallion career is fairly typical of sons of his sire.
Hawkeyethenoo is the only son of Hawk Wing that springs to mind, but he is maybe a gelding
He’s been a huge disappointment, especially as he was such a fine physical specimen in adddition to being a top class performer on the track.
I find it odd that a good Sire, cannot be a good "Sire or Sire’s". Could it be Hawk Wing has not had the same opportunities with the quality of Dam’s that other top class Sire’s have been afforded?
His pedigree was ideal for mares of Sadler’s Wells, his sons, Danehill and Darshaan. There is no nick that appears to have shown any sustained success but a less than 50% strike rate with Sadler’s Wells mares and a 50% strike rate with Darshaan is very modest. He does not look to have been sent the very best mares and his initial fee was not to his benefit.
Horses with an exceptional race record but unfamiliar pedigree can struggle for patronage if over-priced. It will be interesting to see how Canford Cliffs copes. His pedigree is not tempting despite his race record and unless Coolmore support him heavily I envisage him struggling without a star performer in his first 2 crops.
His progeny frequently look difficult to settle, which may contribute to his lack lack of success here
His pedigree was ideal for mares of Sadler’s Wells, his sons, Danehill and Darshaan. There is no nick that appears to have shown any sustained success but a less than 50% strike rate with Sadler’s Wells mares and a 50% strike rate with Darshaan is very modest. He does not look to have been sent the very best mares and his initial fee was not to his benefit.
Horses with an exceptional race record but unfamiliar pedigree can struggle for patronage if over-priced. It will be interesting to see how Canford Cliffs copes. His pedigree is not tempting despite his race record and unless Coolmore support him heavily I envisage him struggling without a star performer in his first 2 crops.
Very interesting. My favourite Group 1 horse of all time, i have been dissapointed not to follow his progeny with much interest in European pattern races.
Horses with an exceptional race record but unfamiliar pedigree can struggle for patronage if over-priced. It will be interesting to see how Canford Cliffs copes. His pedigree is not tempting despite his race record and unless Coolmore support him heavily I envisage him struggling without a star performer in his first 2 crops.
Dynaformer started out at
$3,500
for this reason. Holy Bull and Tiznow were fairly cheap too.
On the other hand, Invasor has actually gotten a ton of mares despite his odd South American pedigree and relatively high starting stud fee.
Just think of high class flops like Brigadier Gerard, Grundy, Spectacular Bid, Dayjur and Lammtarra.
It’s always odds against, however good they are on the track.
Standing Dayjur in the US was a mistake but understandable as Green Desert was already at Shadwell. Lammtarra’s first crop was quite respectable without being spectacular. He was sold to Japan before they reached the track.
11 individual winners from 26 runners indicates a reasonable strike rate but also suggests some fertility issues.
Brigadier Gerard sadly fulfilled his pedigree as a stallion and further cemented his legacy as a freak. He was an truly exceptional performer despite his very ordinary pedigree.
Was going to write an essay to answer PC’s question, but Eclipse has said all I was going to say, and more elequently. Spot on EF.
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