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Far, far better than a penalty shootout would be a phased removal of players on both sides and play on until a goal is scored.
So if level after 90 minutes, both teams have to take off two players. Play 10 minutes, still level, change ends, take off another two players, play another 10 minutes etc.
I’m pretty sure you’d get a goal in the first ten minutes most times, and certainly once they were down to six outfield players.
Would be a good test of the managers as well, which players to take off, how to use subs in extra time etc.
And on the topic of penalties, why is the penalty area so big? It would also improve the game, imo, if it was reduced in width, thus eliminating penalties awarded when a player is nowhere near the goal.
I’d start with the goalkeepers.
You've got to accentuate the positive.
Eliminate the negative.
Latch on to the affirmative.
Don't mess with mister in between.The current set up of 90 minutes, 30 minutes extra time and then penalties is perfect. No need to change anything.
If the teams chose not to go all out in that 30 minutes then I’m really not interested in listening to everybody say how cruel penalties are.
Saying penalties are cruel after extra time is like saying losing in a photo finish is cruel.
And saying they should carry on playing if still level after extra time is like saying they should do another circuit instead of calling a photo-finish.
Losing on penalties is a measure of going close – like being beaten a short head.
It’s a better effort than losing in extra time and far better than losing in normal time.
England only lost the Final on penalties – that is the creditably narrow margin of defeat that goes in the history books.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Yes, England couldn’t really have gone any closer than they did.
This is interesting. Small dataset but interesting, particularly the bit about only 14% of penalties being scored (in World Cup pen shoot outs since 1982, don’t think includes last one) when the player has to score to keep his team in it, a la Saka.
Also the bit about the save rate going from 13% to 33% if the goalie doesn’t dive.
https://ibmathsresources.com/statistics-to-win-penalty-shoot-outs/
Penalties are arguably far more cruel on the individual than the team. Gareth Southgate is remembered for being the one who got England knocked out in 1996 but Gascoigne and Anderton both missed glorious chances in extra time (back in the ‘instant win’ days of golden goal too so there are no arguments about a Germany comeback). It’s a team game and ultimately, it’s the failure of the team to win in regulation/extra time that leads to penalties. All teams sign up to the rules at the start of the tournament.
I agree with Richard88.
Tbh, if you can’t win in 120 minutes neither side deserves to win at all and whoever wins the penalty shoot out is getting a lucky bonus.
In the same way mug punters only look at the finish to assess where a race was won and lost, the focus needs to be on the two hours as a whole.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“Stats as a whole would be irrelevant” – if the stats showed a player was three times less likely to score via a staggered run up would they be relevant then Robbo? Of course an ‘individual’ can score but the stats may illustrate his likelihood of doing so is much reduced.
I think AP’s suggestion above is as good as any alternative although I’m guessing the potentially open-ended and unpredictable nature of how long a game would go on might not appeal to television companies or local policing, transport, etc. You could do both though, reduce the players every ten mins (9 start of et, reducing to 7 and then 6 for last ten mins) and still go to pens after a specified time although you would be much less likely to need the penalties.
Why did they abandon the golden goal?
They abandoned the golden goal because it made teams even more paranoid of conceding and instantly losing the game and a far higher percentage of games went to penalties. It basically caused the opposite of what it was put in place to do.
Some players may do badly with staggered run ups but you would also want the individual goalkeepers stats of the penalties and look at the stats in reverse. Are some keepers better at reading and saving staggered run ups? To get an accurate picture.
Also the pressure of the individual penalty would ideally be factored in. For example your team is 5-0 up and someone takes a penalty (zero pressure on taker) is very different to taking a ‘must score or you lose penalty’.To many different factors need to be taken into account for penalty stats to have any great meaning for me.
Fair enough Robbo, you are right about controlling for other variables and also the small datasets would render any stats questionable admittedly.
I still don’t like them (the staggered run-up I mean).For a Euros there were too many games anyway and also games were thick and fast
combined that to the top players league, European and cup runs and the weather of these end of season competition I’d be more inclined to go straight to penalty’s after 90 minutes
What are the stats of games that are won in extra time vs penalty’s ??
For this tournament alone can only remember 1 extra time winner whereas there where 4 or 5 shoot outs
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In this tournament eight out of 15 knockout stage matches went to ET. Of those it was an even split of won in ET and won on penalties. Extra time should stay. If you can’t win in 90 minutes then it’s only right that you tire yourselves out more and are potentially at a disadvantage. If you can’t then win in ET then you deserve penalties.
I would bin replays and ET in the FA Cup and League Cup (apart from the final maybe). They are played on odd days during the season so there’s no direct impact on that competition if you have to tire yourself out playing ET/pens. It seems fair enough to me to ‘penalise’ teams in a standalone tournament if they can’t win in 90 minutes but not when you’ve then got a month of league matches after a cup tie.
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