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In the dreadful aftermath of the earthquake in Haiti, there was footage of a young child being pulled from the rubble and her mother earnestly reported as saying that "god had saved her child" – or something like that.
Of course one can imagine her tremendous relief at seeing her child rescued alive and it was hardly a moment to expect her to think rationally and philosophically about the existence of a god.
But, isn’t it logical NOT to thank a god for the lives spared but to castigate that god for letting so many die and suffer. What a bast@rd to allow such tragedy.
Better still to come to the conclusion that there is NO god.
Can any "believers" in a god or allah on here defend your god for the events in Haiti?
Or, like the pathetic response the teachers, priests and nuns came up with when asked similar questions during my youth in Catholic schools – "god moves in mysterious ways" !
Too bl00dy right.God is a very personal thing and has a different meaning for everyone.
For me God is not someone/thing who causes or allows things to happen. Rather, belief in a God or Gods may allow us to better deal with things when they do happen. Your God should be your guide, if you have that belief.
It’s not whether God exists for me, if you believe in a God then He/She exists, so the existence of God is not a matter for argument on a personal level.
Having said that, watching the footage from Haiti one despairs at how anyone could begin to cope with what is unfolding. An absolutely deparate situation which is extremely difficult to comprehend.
If there is a god, then organised religions have screwed up the concept of him, and perceptions.
I personally have to sympathise with the people from Haiti.
The last time I had 30 Aftershocks, I couldn’t find my house either!!!!My god…. (as i should say on this thread)
A word for word excellent post by Goldikova
Call me boring and stuffy but is it really appropriate to post a supposed "funny" comment about such a terrible tragedy?
Would you be making quips if it were your friends and family trapped in the rubble?
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Tell you a quick story.
My Mum and Dad’s back garden looked on to a football field.
There I was on a Saturday afternoon, with my mates shouting gett into those fienen basterds as you do when surrounded by 10 of your mates.
Next thing I know WALLOP!! right round the earhole. My Dad thumped me!
My old man said. Answer me this " if you were drowning in a river about to die and some one jumped in to save you"Would you ask "What religion he was?
Unless you are a total Muppet then I don’t have to elaborate on how much sense that makes.
May your God go with you
Tell you a quick story.
My Mum and Dad’s back garden looked on to a football field.
There I was on a Saturday afternoon, with my mates shouting gett into those fienen basterds as you do when surrounded by 10 of your mates.
Next thing I know WALLOP!! right round the earhole. My Dad thumped me!
My old man said. Answer me this " if you were drowning in a river about to die and some one jumped in to save you"Would you ask "What religion he was?
Unless you are a total Muppet then I don’t have to elaborate on how much sense that makes.
May your God go with you
Bang on there Fist,i am a Celtic supporter and would save any Rangers fan from drowning!This Haiti disaster is a catastrophe that puts all of us and our opinions on here in perspective!
Most Celtic fans I know would only save a Rangers supporter so that they could then kick the s**t out of them before throwing them back in.
(That is a joke by the way before anyone gets on the high horse).
Paul – the human spirit has ways of coping with stuff like this and humour is one of them. If you let it get to you you’d be crushed under the weight of grief.
An absolutely deparate situation which is extremely difficult to comprehend.
Desperate, tragic, ghastly certainly but personally I find natural disasters such as this easy to comprehend: an earthquake, that by awful chance happened to occur in a populous area. It is – to be brutally logical – just the way of the world.
But at least we fellow humans are now able to offer oh so much more assistance to our stricken brethren than we were able to do after the many similar events that have taken place over human history, or since Adam raised Cain if you prefer
What I can’t comprehend are disasters inflicted on mankind by mankind viz war, genocide, slavery, subjugation, torture…
Natura non contristatur – of course…
…but not so an anthropomorphic God, so the believers insist on telling us
You could have fooled me. Mysterious ways indeed
Well said indeed Goldikova
I would be hard pressed to answer what religion I was..but can anyone explain to me, because I can’t explain it myself why, when my life has sometimes been at a low ebb, I have found comfort in praying and why I feel such peace and comfort inside a church itself? Maybe what sets us aside from other creatures is our need for sprituality of one form or another?
Most Celtic fans I know would only save a Rangers supporter so that they could then kick the s**t out of them before throwing them back in.
(That is a joke by the way before anyone gets on the high horse).
Paul – the human spirit has ways of coping with stuff like this and humour is one of them. If you let it get to you you’d be crushed under the weight of grief.
I knew that was coming "Dangerous",the same could be said for those Jam tarts living near Easter road!
I would be hard pressed to answer what religion I was..but can anyone explain to me, because I can’t explain it myself why, when my life has sometimes been at a low ebb, I have found comfort in praying and why I feel such peace and comfort inside a church itself? Maybe what sets us aside from other creatures is our need for sprituality of one form or another?
Moe, would you classify your ‘praying’ as the worshipping of or communing with God, or is it more meditation, quiet thought and reflection in pleasant surroundings?
I too like churches and cathedrals; they are inspiring, comforting and a welcome sanctuary from a sometimes ugly and oppressive world, but the peace of mind they supply is not ‘religious’ (I am at best an agnostic) but ‘spiritual’
If religions have given us anything, it is wonderful architecture with glorious interiors. In my view you don’t have to believe in a religion to feel moved and uplifted when present in or seeing the buildings in which it is practiced.
York Minster is a sumptuous, breathtaking building and my admiration and love for it remains undimmed despite 40+ years of familiarity. For me, it and its like is testament to the beauty man is capable of producing; God and Christianity play no part.
Half an hour spent within it, staring at its timeless walls and exquisite ornamentation whilst sitting and pondering ‘makes my day’. Should really do it more often actually.
If religions have given us anything, it is wonderful architecture with glorious interiors. In my view you don’t have to believe in a religion to feel moved and uplifted when present in or seeing the buildings in which it is practiced.
York Minster is a sumptuous, breathtaking building and my admiration and love for it remains undimmed despite 40+ years of familiarity. For me, it and its like is testament to the beauty man is capable of producing; God and Christianity play no part.
Half an hour spent within it, staring at its timeless walls and exquisite ornamentation whilst sitting and pondering ‘makes my day’. Should really do it more often actually.
But does not sumptuousness also highlight the hypocrisy of the church.
Take the Catholic church – visit The Vatican and it has more priceless works of art than any Royal palace. Yet it allows its followers in Africa and South America live in abject poverty – even to the extent of throwing out priests who actually dare to do something to try and help people out of poverty.
Sell a few old masters and put the proceeds to good use.
They won’t of course – because it comes down to power and control of the people – just like governments try to do.
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