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Any views on him i never got into him last year never thought he win group one at 1m but maybe a drop in trip is needed he still in Hungerford if ground stay fast 7f could be ideal for him.Maybe 6f in sprint cup if he did run and win at weekend.
Being a Galileo I would have thought he needs a longer trip up to maybe 9 or 10 furlongs — 12 is probably too far as he has speed on the dam and dam sires side. The Juddmonte at York (10½) might be ideal.
Watching him finish his race off in the St James Palace Stakes a stiff mile or 10f wouldn’t be out of the question. Goodwood was off a slower pace and I didn’t think he had things go his way of the 2 races the Royal Ascot one was better. Having said that if he ran against Without Parole on a stiff mile or 10f I’m not convinced he’d beat him.
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Agree with both Dahlia and Nathan.
Gustav needs a thorough test at a mile and should be at least as effective upping to 1m2f.
If running in the Hungerford I’ll definitely be against him. Think the entry is more to do with Ballydoyle having fewer options than usual and the fact he’s just short of top class – not up to winning an average Group 1. If anything flattered by proximity to Without Parole in the strongest run race he’s faced in 2018.Value Is EverythingO’Brien said before the Sussex that Gustav Klimt is a fast horse and that he would have no problem dropping to 7F. He expected the Goodwood mile to suit and that if the horse could get cover, he could quicken from in behind.
The big problem Gustav Klimt had in the Sussex was that he couldn’t quicken and almost everything the trainer said beforehand looked counter-intuitive in retrospect.
I had a bit of trouble in accepting that Gustav Klimt had improved 6 lbs to record a career best in the St James Palace Stakes. It often seems to me that a lot of people give the ratings a boost, simply because it’s a Group 1 race and must, therefore, be certain standard. The truth is that there will always be substandard Group races.
I felt Gustav Klimt made an excellent show in the way he won his maiden and had a fiver at 33/1 for the Guineas but I never felt I would collect. He made heavy weather in the Superlative Stakes and despite getting hampered there, I often find horses meet trouble when they don’t travel as well as the jockey had hoped for. That Newmarket race has worked out awfully and Gustav Klimt then met with a setback.
The race he won on his comeback was one where US Navy Flag could not be given away in the four runner field over 7F on Heavy ground. He ran like a drain in last and Kenya was almost as bad in 3rd, before going on to be beaten 30 lengths and more the next twice. Kenya’s RPR’s this season have been 78, 43 and 57. Imaging, who was runner up in the Guineas Trial, ran three times on the trot to 105 on RPR’s before not being seen since early May. He was the only thing like a yardstick from Gustav Klimt’s only win this season.
Gustav Klimt seemed to earn confidence in the accuracy of his rating from the two Guineas’ he contested. The trouble is that the Newmarket Guineas has needed the Derby and Eclipse to hold the form up, while the Irish Guineas smells like a month old kipper if we take July Cup winner US Navy Flag out of the equation. Some people felt Romanised had “Arrived” at The Curragh but it looked a fluke win to me. Romanised went on to fail in the St James Palace Stakes and was well beaten in the Marois today.
Here’s a game to play called “Spot The Outlier”
Romanised’s last 7 runs on RPRs have read:-
101,105,102,99,121,106,110
It seems statistically sound to claim the 121 as way off the mark. The official handicapper in Ireland had no problem in raising Romanised 12 lbs for winning a funny looking Irish 2000 Guineas, yet has only put him down a 1 lb from that figure since. It’s crazy logic which would be laughed at in a science lab. The punters were not buying the 118 official racing for one minute though and Romanised was a 51/1 shot for the Marois today. It’s laughable that Romanised went into Royal Ascot rated 3 lbs superior to Alpha Centauri.
So that’s my reason for feeling that Gustav Klimt just isn’t that great. He’s good but he’s limited. Aidan seems to have taken a long time to realise that the horse is fast but yet the horse still doesn’t look fast. I think they are simply trying changes in the hope that he might snare a Group 1 somewhere.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I had a bit of trouble in accepting that Gustav Klimt had improved 6 lbs to record a career best in the St James Palace Stakes. It often seems to me that a lot of people give the ratings a boost, simply because it’s a Group 1 race and must, therefore, be certain standard. The truth is that there will always be substandard Group races.
To be fair to the Racing Post ratings: That 6 lbs improved performance to a career best RPR of 119 for the St James’s Palace appeared to be justified by the Goodwood run. We both believe Gustav is a little devoid of speed/lacks a turn of foot. Therefore, considering the Sussex wasn’t run anything like as strongly (they quickened in the straight) he ran as well as could be anticipated to be beaten just 2 lengths and a nose for an RPR of 116. Just 3 lbs below Ascot. ie Had the Sussex been run at the same pace as the St James’s Palace it’s probable Gustav would’ve put up a 3 lbs better performance; 3 lbs better being the same as Ascot’s 119.
Value Is Everythingwe shall find out tomorrow, shame the yard ‘aint in normal form as I would fancy him at the seven. Will still have a play, in the last chance saloon.
He is deffo in the last chance saloon with me too Nwalton!! Have backed him three times this season Newmarket Ascot and Goodwood and he has always looked short of speed and only stayed on one pace. It will be interesting to see how Ryan rides him tomorrow and IMO he should be close to the pace if not making it!!
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Doubt anyone now believes Gustav has enough speed for 7f away from heavy ground.
Value Is EverythingSurely a last gasp attempt to reinvent the horse.
Had he been a true sprinter, would it not have been likely O’Brien would have worked it out before now?
25/1 tomorrow yet the only horse in the race rated higher than him on RPR’s is the favourite Harry Angel, who is 5/4 from 3/1 without doing anything at all.
Something doesn’t add up with Gustav Klimt and if he did win tomorrow it would be Aidan’s biggest balls up since Dunkirk in running him as a miler nearly all his life.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Aidan obviously knows the horse better than any of us but a Galileo (14% 5-6f) running over 6f does seem strange (maybe the soft will make it a bit of a slog). I would have thought the Irish Champion (10f) in a weeks time would have been the better option.
I’m with him purely on price as he is only second best to Harry Angel on ratings and is unexposed at 6. Get (and broadly agree) with the doubts but feel he is too big a price for a horse bringing Group 1 form. Eqtidaar and Sands Of Mali need to bounce back but both also too big in what looks wide open race if you doubt the fav, which I do.
David
Dahlia, Gustav Klimt has won in a slog on Heavy ground but that was over 7F in April. Watching him that day however, it just didn’t pan out remotely like a sprint race. Kenya and US Navy Flag made the running but both folded up quickly in the closing stages, tiring really badly, Gustav Klimt then came through from the back, where he had sat all race, and outstayed Imaging to win. It just didn’t look like a sprint performance at all and he’ll need to be more prominent today.
Last time out the race report describes Gustav Klimt as being outpaced over 7F behind Sir Dancealot before weakening. He was 5 lengths behind the Elsworth trained winner that day and he’s now 6 lbs worse off with Sir Dancealot.
I would agree that further would be worth a try as Aidan is always on about Galileo progeny getting further than you would expect. This whole “He’s a fast horse” in describing Gustav Klimt seems to have sprung up like an advertising campaign at odds with the original branding.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
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