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Quote: from Lincoln Duncan on 10:36 am on Feb. 8, 2007[br]
Roll on the Lincoln.
Yes, those are the four most depressing words in the English language. Equally depressing are the four weeks of complete dross that separate the Lincoln from the Guineas meeting. The Craven meeting is, before you say anything, dross.
If you like Flat racing, you should be watching the Nad Al Sheba action rather than chalking off the days to a tedious mile handicap the result of which no-one cares about.
Although some of the midweek jumps stuff is, as you say, not all that great either.
Agree Lincoln, the craven meeting has died a death in recent years, as the trainers these days like to wrap their good horses up in cotton wool and go straight for the guinneas, unlike the 80’s when the top trainers nearly always used the trials to ready their horse for the guinneas, V O Brien, J. Dunlop, Henry Cecil ,Dick Hern (nashwan apart) and so on. Even Jump racing Trainers are using the cotton wool treatment for their horses, and most of these horses have no balls so their stud value is zero so they have nothing to lose in defeat, unlike Coolmore and Godolphin blue bloods. Best Mate, Kicking King and to a lesser extent War of Attrition spring to mind.<br>As for the Lincoln hcap I am no great fan of the race but I know when it comes around the real racing is slowly getting into its stride.
Dubai is an owners paradise with the amount of money on offer, I wouldnt bet on it that the arabs are sticking by the law I would say there is plenty of illicit betting going on, after all
The last I heard, each race is accompanied by a lottery or a draw. You get a ticket with the name of a horse and win a prize if your horse is lucky enough to win. Agnes Haddock would love it on those golden sands.
And judging by the large numbers of corporate junketeers, the gangs of "lads", the displaced football coachloads, the wonderfully underdressed hen parties, and the ancient Bay City Roller fans who fill the average Tatts at a weekend, is betting in it’s present format really necessary? I’m not so sure.
the same Sheikh would go back home and implement the death penalty if an arab women committed adultery ie probably stoned to death by her immediate family.
I get the feeling the westernised Dubaians are moving away from such medieval social control methods, Madman – you are probably more likely to find such behaviour in Lower Darwen, Blackburn.<br>
No more than Bravo would assume that pre-pubescent kids could be watching ‘King Dong does Dallas’ at 11.40 on a Friday night
This is just wanton misinformation.
Bravo has "The World’s Most Shocking Police Videos" on at that time. That is followed by something called "Porno Valley", which sounds like a georaphically-orientated programme and is just the sort of things that pre-pubescant kids should be watching.
I’ll definitely be staying up (so to speak).
Mike
I get the feeling the westernised Dubaians are moving away from such medieval social control methods, Madman – you are probably more likely to find such behaviour in Lower Darwen, Blackburn.
I think the dubaians are more interested in pandering to western riches, their oil is running out so they were cute enough to realise that western tourism is the future of Dubai.<br>I dont know much about Dubaian law but I would say it is still pretty draconian, Max.
Dubai is much more image-conscious than the other Emirates, for obvious reasons. A modern-day version of "Death of a Princess" set in the middle of Dubai City would not do much for the tourist trade.
Several of the other Emirates have no such worries, though. This is from the Amnesty website:
<br>In December [2004], two women domestic migrant workers – Indonesian national Wasini bint Sarjan and Indian national Rad Zemah Sinyaj Mohammed – were sentenced to flogging, after becoming pregnant outside marriage, by a Shari’a (Islamic) Court in Ras al-Khaimah. Rad Zemah Sinyaj Mohammed was sentenced to 150 lashes, to be received in two sessions, followed by deportation. Wasini bint Sarjan was sentenced to one year’s imprisonment and 100 lashes, followed by deportation.
The sentences were to be carried out once the women had given birth and their children had been weaned.
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Quote: from Grasshopper on 12:56 pm on Feb. 8, 2007[br]
As for the Lincoln hcap I am no great fan of the race but I know when it comes around the real racing is slowly getting into its stride.<br>
<br>Thats a pretty angry looking Grasshopper under your user name.
Are most jumpers just slow horses who couldnt hack it on the flat grasshopper, chop their balls off and send them over obstacles.
<br>Good day to you, madman marz…..very nice to make your acquaintence.
Ahem……
"Real racing"……..my ******* ARSE it is!!!
I thank you. :cool:<br>
Madman I actually think Teofilo is going to win the Guineas, but I stand to gain a lot more if Strategic prince wins, and i think SP is still a very good price.
Grasshopper I changed my picture about 6 months ago, there seemed plenty of choice for me. Mind you you jumps fans are so damn picky, either that or a bit slow! (compared to flat races of course)
Horse racing is not all about betting. If a person cannot enjoy a horserace without gambling on it then that person does not really enjoy horse racing – they enjoy gambling.
I think that horse racing would survive in this country without gambling but on a smaller scale as long as there are enough owners to support it. Not all racecourses would close down – it seems to me that a lot of racegoers go to race meetings to get drunk rather than bet:(
National Hunt racing v Flat racing – PLEASE let’s ‘live and let live’…..I much prefer National Hunt but I don’t criticise anybody who prefers the flat. ÂÂÂ
lol but no-one made you be a grasshopper. Why did you choice to be a grasshopper anyway; because it can jump from thread to thread and be a general nuisance?
Ok Grassy, I’ll concede defeat there, the only Grasshopper I know is a pesky insect.
Everybody was kung-fu fighting<br>Those cats were fast as lightning<br>In fact it was a little bit frightning<br>But they fought with expert timing
Quote: from SwallowCottage on 3:05 pm on Feb. 8, 2007[br]Horse racing is not all about betting. If a person cannot enjoy a horserace without gambling on it then that person does not really enjoy horse racing – they enjoy gambling.
I watch plenty of horse races without having a bet, Its hard enough 1 or 2 winners a day without having a bet in every race, a sure fire way too the gutter. For most people having a bet was probably got them interested in the first place Swallow.
National Hunt racing v Flat racing – PLEASE let’s ‘live and let live’…..I much prefer National Hunt but I don’t criticise anybody who prefers the flat.  <br>
Dont get me wrong Swallow, I like N/HUNT but I much prefer the Flat.
madman marz, you can be as vehement as you like, I still think racing would survive on a reduced scale without gambling. You left out part of Swallow Cottage’s posting saying the same. As for greyhound racing, they have had very bad publicity and it is not so attractive visually.<br>But let’s meet halfway. If bookmakers were removed and we only had a parimutuel pool system could cheating occur so easily? Would we also have more funding for racing?
You seem to be missing my point Nor1, racing would’nt be where it is today (multi billion industry) without the gambling side to it, it would probably be still Lord Double Barrell racing his best horse against Lord Triple Barrells best horse across some country estate for a private wager.<br>Some of racings greats were notorius gamblers, Dorothy Paget needs no introduction as for Vincent O Brien, in his early days he was noted for landing a touch or two.
Maybe it would survive Nor1, but racing without betting would be about as popular as the world paint drying championship.<br>By the introduction of sports betting over the last 20 years or so, games like American football have become extremely popular (why I dont know, to me its as boring as cricket) even Irish men are backing on cricket today, unheard of about 10 year ago.<br>Nor1 there is simply no denying the popularity & the power of betting.
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