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  • #1688786
    Avatar photoBobby Bluebell
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    Thanks Peter, I didn’t realise that :good:

    I really want Desertmore House to get in, but I fear he is going to miss out by one or two.

    #1688792
    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    If it does end up very soft\heavy will Corach Rambler run ? , you could bottom him , wouldn’t you want a go at some graded races in the future

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    #1688796
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    Taken from The Irish Field:

    “Chemical Energy, Coko Beach, Delta Work, Farouk D’Alene, Fury Road, Galvin, Minella Crooner, and The Goffer were all confirmed to be on target for the race” and that “Conflated is 50-50 to run in the National or Aintree Bowl”

    So Run Wild Fred looking like the only defection from the Elliot mob, with potentially Conflated going for the Bowl instead.

    Source: https://www.theirishfield.ie/racing/racing-news/news-elliott-set-to-run-at-least-eight-in-bid-for-record-equalling-national-811695

    That’d put Malina Girl and Empire Steel on the cusp. It’d be great for Sandy Thomson to get a runner in the race.

    #1688799
    Avatar photoGingertipster
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    Connections did not believe Corach Rambler acted on heavy until he showed – well and truly – he did in the Gold Cup. No point in him not going for the National if all is well with him.

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    #1688808
    Red Rum 77
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    After his run in the Kerry National did fancy Desertmore House and backed him accordingly. Also backed him for the Irish version but he got scratched from that, and looks unlikely to make it here.

    If Conflated drops out in favour of the Bowl, that’ll leave Noble Yeats as top weight and although not looked it up, think it could be the first time a top weight could win since Red Rum.

    If heavy then one at the bottom of the weights is Galia Des Liteaux is a possible.

    Might have a small coincidence bet on Eklat De Rire if making the cut, because his mare is named after the town I come from.

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    #1688809
    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    While it would be great for the stable Empire won’t stay , I hope they go to the topham

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    #1688815
    KendalCavalier
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    Aside from his Curragh winner on the opening day of the Flat in Ireland, the Martin Brassil horses have been misfiring badly. His two this weekend have been beaten a long way from home and to my untrained eye look out of sorts. I think both Desertmore House if he were to scrape in and Panda Boy are looking up against it now to be honest and I’m on Panda at 66’s. I think he may have run out of time in order to turn this around.

    #1688818
    Avatar photoGingertipster
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    What stats are you looking at KC?
    Martin Brassil’s statistics have imo been better this season, particularly a 23% SR with his chasers.
    And his place record has been better than any of the last 5 years.

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    #1688825
    Mike007
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    Hard to know for sure as its 1 win out of 3 of late so a small sample.

    #1688829
    Avatar photoBobby Bluebell
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    The one beaten yesterday was beaten due to being too keen, jumping very poorly and running over a trip too short.

    However, I would like too see his horses in better form.

    #1688863
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    “Hard to know for sure as its 1 win out of 3 of late so a small sample”.
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    Those two Pulled ups were a horse that had run at Cheltenham on heavy ground and reappearing after just 17 days… And Longhouse Poet, who’s not been right all season – ie not been right when the trainer has been in great form… And the other runner of three won.

    When judging trainers in and out of form I’ve got to look at why they ran poorly.

    Also when just 3 runners in the last 2 weeks I’ve got to look back further.
    3 winners in his last 20 runners. It’s not what I’d call “in form” but certainly not “out of form” either.

    Martin Brassil is also one of the most successful “target” trainers around too. They tend to run well when they’re in their targeted race.

    If you’d backed all his chasers this season you’d be in profit.
    If you’d backed all Willie Mullins Chasers this season you’d be in deficit.

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    #1688898
    Avatar photoBigG
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    Could have sworen I put up my viws on Delta Work but I can’t see them.
    Anyway, he’s still there and still 33/1 so no harm done. I fancied him
    last year and he was running a good race up near the front, when at the
    21st fence he got bumped on his left by a horse and then bumpded by the
    horse on his right. Not a lot Keith Donaghue could do and he was unshipped.
    He had been travelling really well and he’s 2 lbs lower.

    I think he has a great chance. I took the the 33s e/w and the 42s on the
    exchangr on the nose. So much can happen, but he looked comfortable over
    the course last year. 33s seems very decent to me.

    Delta Work 33/1 e/w 6 places Bet365 and 41/1 on the exchange on the nose.

    #1688960
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    I’ve committed to Galia Des Liteaux. She seems quite versatile ground wise, looks suited by the trip based on her Warwick run, and will be primed for this with Dan Skelton eyeing up the trainers title. She’s still plenty big enough in the betting.

    She’ll be my fourth dart with Kitty’s Light, Chemical Energy and Minella Indo.

    I will be backing Eldorado Allen for fun, but I’ll wait for 7 places on the day :whistle:

    #1688968
    Red Rum 77
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    The Grand National looks to be on HEAVY GROUND this year. Two definitely scratched are BONN and CLASSIC GETAWAY. Also with MINELLA CROONER who ran in the Irish version expect him to drop out. Some are doubly engaged, but at the moment do we really know their plans or just wishful hoping.

    Anyway the bottom weight as it stands are on a rating of 146 that’s

    GLENGOULY
    GALIA DES LITEAUX
    PANDA BOY
    EKLAT DE RIRE
    CHAMBARD
    KITTY LIGHT

    The suborder is determined by their current Official ratings that’s

    GLENGOULY 145
    GALIA DES LITEAUX 146
    PANDA BOY 144
    EKLAT DE RIRE 142
    CHAMBARD 145
    KITTY LIGHT 145

    If any are still tied then the drawing of lots determined which order they are in.

    According to Racing Post these 4 can handle the likely going.

    I’AM MAXIMUS (Ran on heavy ground in the Bobbyjo)

    MR INCREDIBLE (Run in the Classic Chase looked promising, and still traveling well when saddle slipped in last year’s race. Ran encouragingly in Midland’s National.

    NASSALAM Welsh National showed that heavy ground was no problem, could repeat Grittar in 1982

    GALIA DES LITEAUX Heavy ground and a left-handed track is the perfect combination for Galia Des Liteaux, who made it 2-2 in those conditions when landing a Grade 2 novice chase by 13 lengths last year.
    Her latest start can be ignored as she’s disappointed in all but one of her starts on right-handed tracks and she could go well from the bottom of the weights, especially as she ran a great trial for the National when staying on for second in the Classic Chase at Warwick in January.

    You've got to accentuate the positive.
    Eliminate the negative.
    Latch on to the affirmative.
    Don't mess with mister in between.

    #1688975
    Avatar photoGingertipster
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    RR,
    Minella Cocooner ran in the Irish National.
    Minella Crooner is entered in the Grand National.

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    #1688976
    FinalFurlong91
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    Do like the look of galia des liteaux

    She’s a proper soft ground plodder

    If she gets in a jumping rhythm she should complete the race which I’d imagine will be enough to place unless they go very slow

    My initial fancies of galvin and chemical energy have no chance on the likely ground so will be looking elsewhere

    Got to be looking at horses under 11st if it is heavy

    #1688982
    Mike007
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    We don’t know how soft it’s going to be yet as the weather site I looked at only has bits and pieces of rain from this Friday up to the day of the race at present.

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