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- October 4, 2013 at 17:48 #24835
Interesting comments from Mr. Sharp, which I think will do C4 no favours in this case. The stench of bullshine is overpowering.
Stick it to them Mac!
October 4, 2013 at 18:56 #453489How is that 0-1 PC?
McCrirrick is an offensive, horrible man. Note, I do not say "old", does not matter if he’s 20, 40 or 70; not worthy of any position within racing. Must be difficult to work with.
IMG must have felt it was a racing certainty Big Mac would get himself, Channel 4 Racing and IMG in to trouble at some point in future. I would not want a loose cannon on my team, or to employ one.
I remember him appearing on BBC Question Time and thinking what an absolute plonker. Most guests are welcomed back, year after year, he wasn’t. Mac may say it’s an act, I don’t believe it.
Value Is EverythingOctober 4, 2013 at 19:39 #453495All opinion and conjecture Garfield.
I dare say if people were judged on their employability by how they came across on Reality TV, then the dole office would have a few more participants come signing-on day.
The letter concerning Filthy Luca’s young ‘un is a huge chalk mark in Mac’s box.
You may find this hard to believe – but Court Cases are not decided on your opinion, even if you do have a Timeform subscription.
October 4, 2013 at 20:20 #453498This court case sums up the world we live in these days and thats where there’s the slightest chance of lining ones pockets from ‘The System’ then we’ll go for it.John McCririck is only pushing his luck because ‘The System’ allows him,20yrs ago ‘Ageism’ never existed and this case would never have got past the "Can I sue for being sacked because I’m over 70" stage.John could and should have retired at least 5 yrs ago,he’s been showing his age for sometime now and its become embarrassing watching him shaking and muttering in front of the Camera.Of course every Tom Dick and Harry know when the £££/$$$ were on the table to open a new Bookmakers somewhere he and Thommo would fight over who got it.At least Derek took his ‘sacking’ like the true Professional he undoubtedly is and still makes plenty of personal appearances.McCririck will set a precedent that will cause chaos in the employment laws if he so much as makes a penny from this case siding with his preposterous claims.Thankfully ‘The System’ wont allow this to happen,it would be a step too far! Silly Old B*gger always had the capacity to dig a hole for himself,this time its one that could bury him.
October 4, 2013 at 20:37 #453502I’ll bet both of you a pony JM gets a result out of this.
October 4, 2013 at 20:53 #453506I’ll bet both of you a pony JM gets a result out of this.
Publicity Stunts like this are all about Money making PC,if the tribunal favours McCriricks case and I’ll go 100/1 about that happening then his Lawyers will go for an out of court settlement.Channel 4 will offer £250,000 and Greedy Bollox will snatch their hand off as he knows a Crown court will chuck the case out before John can rub his greasey palms.Hopefully common sense will prevail here and the Tribunal will favour C4, otherwise every School caretaker,Bus driver,nurse,schoolteacher etc etc etc told to retire because of their age will be forming a cue.The whole case is nothing more than a celebrity pushing his luck,a celebrity known for pushing boundaries and a celebrity notorious for doing anything so long as it pays.Sadly McCririck has self appointed himself as the voice of the aged,trouble is the aged have accepted Mother Nature speaks to no-one but has the last word!
October 4, 2013 at 21:00 #453507I’ll bet both of you a pony JM gets a result out of this.
Publicity Stunts like this are all about Money making PC,if the tribunal favours McCriricks case and I’ll go 100/1 about that happening then his Lawyers will go for an out of court settlement.Channel 4 will offer £250,000 and Greedy Bollox will snatch their hand off as he knows a Crown court will chuck the case out before John can rub his greasey palms.Hopefully common sense will prevail here and the Tribunal will favour C4, otherwise every School caretaker,Bus driver,nurse,schoolteacher etc etc etc told to retire because of their age will be forming a cue.The whole case is nothing more than a celebrity pushing his luck,a celebrity known for pushing boundaries and a celebrity notorious for doing anything so long as it pays.Sadly McCririck has self appointed himself as the voice of the aged,trouble is the aged have accepted Mother Nature speaks to no-one but has the last word!
I’ll have the pony at 100/1 then. Are we on?
October 4, 2013 at 21:19 #453509"Peruvian Chief":1osr3fsc wrote:
I’ll have the pony at 100/1 then. Are we on?
I’ve had many Private wagers on here PC and lost only one,that was to ‘Grasshopper’,I duly paid up.All those who have lost to me on here know who they are and I’ve never taken a penny off them.Victory was sweet enough for me so you keep your £25 in your pocket as it would be better invested on
Shutthefrontdoor
at 33/1 for the RSA.McCririck has at last met his match and will lose this ridiculous case,if he wasn’t such a hypocrite I’d offer 50/1,if he wasn’t historically renowned for his own ‘Sexism’ remarks I’d go 33/1 and if he didn’t dress like a Victorian Detective with ‘elitism’ issues I’d go 25/1.I’d say Tanya Stevenson has far more claims for compensation for his own remarks against Women than he has for being an Old plonker who cant accept he’s an old plonker.
October 4, 2013 at 21:35 #453512All opinion and conjecture Garfield.
I dare say if people were judged on their employability by how they came across on Reality TV, then the dole office would have a few more participants come signing-on day.
The letter concerning Filthy Luca’s young ‘un is a huge chalk mark in Mac’s box.
You may find this hard to believe – but Court Cases are not decided on your opinion, even if you do have a Timeform subscription.
If you look at Channel 4 Racing, Question Time and every other non-reality tv programme Big Mac has appeared in – nothing he did on "Reality TV" surprised me. We knew what he was like.
Just imagine an advert for this job PC:
Wanted: TV presenter: Must be able to fit in to a team, to go all over the country, to stand around in all weathers…Would you give this job to an obnoxious, fat, sexist, pantomime character, in his late 70’s who smokes cigars despite his health failing?
I would not want to see Big Mac colapse in the ring one day.
Value Is EverythingOctober 4, 2013 at 22:35 #453527All opinion and conjecture Garfield.
I dare say if people were judged on their employability by how they came across on Reality TV, then the dole office would have a few more participants come signing-on day.
The letter concerning Filthy Luca’s young ‘un is a huge chalk mark in Mac’s box.
You may find this hard to believe – but Court Cases are not decided on your opinion, even if you do have a Timeform subscription.
If you look at Channel 4 Racing, Question Time and every other non-reality tv programme Big Mac has appeared in – nothing he did on "Reality TV" surprised me. We knew what he was like.
Just imagine an advert for this job PC:
Wanted: TV presenter: Must be able to fit in to a team, to go all over the country, to stand around in all weathers…Would you give this job to an obnoxious, fat, sexist, pantomime character, in his late 70’s who smokes cigars despite his health failing?
I would not want to see Big Mac colapse in the ring one day.
As a viewer I’d rather Big Mac have the job than some yes man / woman who has no interest in racing at all.
I don’t really think most of the stuff you mention is relevant, I don’t care what he looks like, whether he smokes or not or how old he is. The two most important things for me would be is he entertaining? Does he know his stuff?
I personally think Channel 4 missed a trick getting rid of both him and Thommo. I’d have kept one of them even if they just appeared once a fortnight they were characters, maybe irritating at times but there enthusiasm for the game is something different.
The current line up with Cunningham, Luck and Pershad puts me to sleep half the time.
October 4, 2013 at 23:43 #453547If you look at Channel 4 Racing, Question Time and every other non-reality tv programme Big Mac has appeared in – nothing he did on "Reality TV" surprised me. We knew what he was like.
Just imagine an advert for this job PC:
Wanted: TV presenter: Must be able to fit in to a team, to go all over the country, to stand around in all weathers…Would you give this job to an obnoxious, fat, sexist, pantomime character, in his late 70’s who smokes cigars despite his health failing?
I would not want to see Big Mac colapse in the ring one day.
As a viewer I’d rather Big Mac have the job than some yes man / woman who has no interest in racing at all.
I don’t really think most of the stuff you mention is relevant, I don’t care what he looks like, whether he smokes or not or how old he is. The two most important things for me would be is he entertaining? Does he know his stuff?
I personally think Channel 4 missed a trick getting rid of both him and Thommo. I’d have kept one of them even if they just appeared once a fortnight they were characters, maybe irritating at times but there enthusiasm for the game is something different.
The current line up with Cunningham, Luck and Pershad puts me to sleep half the time.
It does not matter if you or I like the the way he "looks" Danny, it does not matter if we don’t care if he’s any of those things I mentioned…
But of course being "obnoxious, fat, sexist, pantomime character, in his late 70’s who smokes cigars despite his health failing" is
"relevant" to the job Danny
.
He’s got to
fit in to a NEW team
.
When Tanya Stevenson and each and every individual joined the old C4 Racing, John wasalready
on the programme, they knew what they were letting themselves in for. When it is just
one
new person it is (comparitively) up to the
new
one to fit in.
With thisNEW
team there are
many
new faces to C4 Racing, both
ON
and
OFF
screen. It is
essential
everyone gets along. McCrirrick is obnoxious and sexist and does not care what he says.
Employers have to be wary these days that an employee will not say or do anything that might get both the employee
and employer
in to trouble. McCrirrick is a loose cannon.
The job entails
standing
around outdoors for long periods of time, sometimes in
rain/cold
. So
IS
– an
overweight
man in his late 70’s, in
failing health
, who
smokes cigars
and eats the
wrong
foods (ie does nothing to improve that health) –
up to this particular job?
Value Is EverythingOctober 4, 2013 at 23:51 #453548If Lord Oaksey was still with us would C4 offer him work in his 70s? I would think yes because he had great charm, genuine personality and real racing knowledge and devoted his time with racing charities not money grabbing from whichever channel or bookmaker would pay, as in McCririck’s case. One would be an asset to any programme and one a total embarrassment.
October 5, 2013 at 00:11 #453552I feel a bit sad reading some of the comments on here about Big Mac. Not saying that he had the right to still be employed till he dropped in the job that he loved, but he created a persona and played the part well. People not interested in the sport know his name and he did his job well in that respect.
Seems strange that he’s being so badly criticized for playing exactly the same part that he’s played for over thirty years. Think he may have been foolish for starting this case, but hope he doesn’t lose too much money if it goes against him.
October 5, 2013 at 00:19 #453553I think Mac is in a
bit of a corner here.Television is rather
exceptional work in
that you are not judged
just on the job you do
but the perception of it.The producer will not obviously
argue age – they will argue
perception and damaged goods.
McCririck argues age.Public persona in TV is
part of perception. Had he
not done his celebrity
big brother and expressed
his personal views in articles
he would have had a far better
chance of winning this.
Not his age, but signs of age,
could also be argued to affect
his public persona in the sense he
has evidence of physical deterioration.
I refer to his slight shaking.
This could be argued diminishes his
strength of perception. TV is a
difficult employer and can plead
special public persona considerations
other employers cannot.Mac loses it 40-60
Viewed more as one-eyed Banksie
than the cougar Steven GerardOctober 5, 2013 at 06:14 #453569Think it most unlikely Big Mac will win nor should he, he will probably pick up a bit of money afterwards though with interviews, articles etc but I find some of reasoning put up by the C4 executives quite bizarre.
They seem to have centred on his appearances on C4 reality tv shows, what on earth have C4 got reality shows on for? They are on to show the sort of behaviour Big Mac exhibited, they should be a total irrelevance to his employment on the same channels racing coverage.
Think you would also have to question him not being good enough for the job bearing in mind the quality of the betting coverage now with the present incumbent.
October 5, 2013 at 10:22 #453632Big Mac should sue the BBC as they called him a racing commentator on the news the other night.
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October 5, 2013 at 10:55 #453641I think *wit’s take on this so far would make interesting reading
*wit is a forum member who posts occasionally; mostly on legal matters
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