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He looked like being one of the best young hurdlers in recent memory , when tipping up at the last at the festival.
Despite being blighted by featuring in several of my 10 to follow entries and understandably leading to underachievement , his fall from grace is astounding (perhaps the odd run excepted).
I don’t want to knock “smaller” trainers , but would he improve from a change of yard ?.
Anyone got any ideas of how he could come back to the levels of his earlier promise ?Moore isn’t a small trainer , while he looks unlikely to win a champion hurdle he will still win races , still only 5
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I think he looked pretty good as a 4yo and would have won the Triumph easily.
But tbh, unless the horse has a physical problem they can’t get to the bottom of, he doesn’t look too genuine to me.
Testing ground at 2m going right handed might suit him best, but he fades away too tamely in other conditions for my liking.
He’s won once in something like his last eight starts and has become a real bookmakers horse because too many punters can’t move on from the Triumph with him.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"How was Goshen “vastly overrated”? He was the best Juvenile by at least a stone. I think he will win a Christmas Hurdle at a nice price.
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“He was the best Juvenile by at least a stone.”
It was a very poor year, historically.
I don’t think it was. Goshen is clearly a quirky sort who needs it all the drop right. A flat two miles, with plenty of dig, going full tilt right-handed around Kempton would be very interesting.
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I hope that he comes in for you (I won’t be having a bet in the race) but I just can’t see it, personally. He’s a 150 horse at the very most.
I think he is well capable of running to 165+ going right handed on soft or worse.
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He had his conditions when he last won – at Wincanton.
But that (at 100/30) was his only win in his last eight starts and he has been an expensive horse for punters to back blind and a great horse for bookies to lay blind.
Soft ground (if it is) right handed at Kempton would suit, and he was a 5yo when he slammed Song For Someone (OR 155, conceding 6lb) by 22 lengths and you could arguably rate Goshen as high as 171 on that, but Goshen is NOT a reliable horse.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"No he isn’t Ian. But I agree basically, he is one who can throw up a top class performance in the right conditions at a nice price. You’d have to be crackers to back him blind. He needs plenty of cut, he needs to go RH.
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As some have an issue with the term “small” , perhaps it would be more accurate to use any of the following i.e. better , more successful. For example , the likes of Nicholls , Henderson , Mullins etc..
“Goshen is clearly a quirky sort who needs it all the drop right.”
And that is why he is a bookmakers horse, as Mr Davies says.
Cork all star just said what I was going to say he is indeed a quirky horse. Remember at Cheltenham and he cocked his jaw and ran very wide almost off course jockey couldn’t do anything.
Abit like Might Bite and his quirksVF x
A horse who gets beaten at 2/5, Evens and 6/4 on consecutive outings is a bookmakers’ horse.
I agree proper Soft ground at Kempton would suit, but it’s last-chance saloon and if he can’t win in those conditions it will look like a Wincanton bog is the only place he can win.
But he strikes me as the sort of horse who could carry on flopping but punters would still follow him over a cliff if, say, he was then sent novice chasing.
I can see it now: “he was always going to be better over fences, anything he did over hurdles was always going to be a bonus.”
I think I’ve been in this game too long – I’m getting too jaded and cynical!
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