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Will be interesting to see how devastated this young fellow is and how much horses mean to him and that is was just pure coincidence for him to be filmed on a dead horse. Never happened before and will never happen again.
So now your saying gordon cant feel depression, ruby, because his stables earned 25 mill in 5 years from prize money???
really, you are a joke… its borderline laughable how pathetic your statements are, i thought at first you where trolling, but your clearly not which makes it just astounding how much nonsense you believe.
The depression card is a cheap one, if he chooses to play it. And if depression is a cause for him working with horses and becoming a wealthy man, then he should consider working in another sphere. Cure is more important than saddling winners and having a stressful time.
Are you his Mother or a lawyer or even both? Tell you what, if you don’t like this thread, don’t bother reading it.
What in gods name is the poster ‘Gamble’ prattling on about? If he is a frequent poster no wonder this forum has low traffic.
To the record of 3,157 streams of existential conciousness Gamble has treated us to/infuriated us with there’s several thousand more in a similar vein now wiped forever…shame
A sort of Marcel Proust/James Joyce hybrid, though Gamble is less penetrable but more fun
The answer is 42
“Personally, I would regard illegally burying a dead horse as a more serious act than sitting on a dead horse.”
Wouldn’t you say that one of the above is done out of love and the other out of not giving a toss?
Maybe so SC, but I really have no idea what was going on in GE’s head he decided to sit on the horse. And yes,I can well imagine that in jurisdictions where it is allowed, an owner or trainer might well bury a horse and the circumstances might well be very sombre and emotional and done in a way befitting an animal who was loved and well looked after when living.
I started thinking about this because jancatlady remarked on how “over there” in Ireland they would be “off to the factory” and I got the impression she thought this was a callous way of dealing with dead racehorses.
I would be interested though in the view of those who think the IRHB suspension treatment of GE is too lenient – what would be an appropriate IRHB punishment for a trainer caught illegally burying a horse in Ireland, whatever the motivation behind it. Would it be regarded as bringing racing into disrepute? Would it make a difference whether a photograph was taken or not? Would it make a difference whether the trainer had a sad face or a happy face in the photograph?
Well I’m going to annoy Ham even more now by continuing with conspiracy theories and dead horse descriptions! Apallache, I don’t think its callous horses going to the factory in Ireland -years ago, on holiday there, I was chatting to the drivers of the ‘jaunty(jaunting?) carts, taking tourists up and down- he said they were 7 yrs old, their working life was about finished and they would be going ‘on de hooook’! I did think that was a bit callous, but I would much rather that than have them left hungry or in bad homes. And I have been reminded here that horses are classed as agricultural in Ireland. As I understand it here, if a horse is used in the course of a business, it is not a pet and therefore can’t be buried. I know of permit holders burying horses-training is their hobby not business I suppose. I would never complain about anyone burying a much loved horse,legal or not, it is done out of compassion for the horse.
I am glad others noted the colour, or lack of, in the pic of Morgan,his coat looks so dull, I couldn’t tell either. I did wonder if it was actually him, remember GE can’t remember if it happened a few years ago or 4 years ago tho we have to assume it was actually 18 months ago. The actual date of that pic would be interesting as it looks like summer but Morgan is listed as deceased 26 sept 2019.
In answer to the person who thinks I have inside info, unfortunately I don’t, I did see the k Harrington tweets which were quite interesting and funny in places. I still think this is an insurance scam. Maybe I look at the pic, and the video,differently to others. The Rob James video does not shock me at all- I have never.ever, seen anyone on a dead horse… But, I can well imagine some young stable lads doing it, I don’t think it makes them bad,if that is as far as it goes.If the head lad saw them they’d get a clip round the ear and wouldn’t do it again. Rob James actually gives the mare a little pat as he gets off, gave the impression he does care. The trainer on a dead horse tho is a different matter. Not neccesarily because he’s sat on him, but because of his expression; as others have said, he looks like a trophy hunter, he’s smiling, he’s had a win, or 2,as he’s giving his 2 fingered victory salute. The only reason I can think of, for a trainer/owner,to actually look pleased when their horse dies,is if the horse is worth more dead than alive. Such horse would have to be a once valuable one who has deteriorated recently. Just like Morgan. I still think he has a pelvic injury even tho the pic quality is poor. Most people maybe don’t look beyond the grinning buffoon on his back, tho a local lady small trainer(permit) said she thought the horse was in “appalling condition”,so some are noticing, but not enough. Whatever is going on, it looks like he’ll get away with it basically.
GE statement said the horse died from ‘apparent’aneurism (or heart attack) which suggests no Post Mortem done. If an insured horse is badly injured, the insurers will send out their own appointed vet to decide whether to PTS. But if the horse is already dead, from an apparent aneurism say, then they don’t always send one, your own vets statement may be enough.
Racehorse insurance comes in different forms but some/most cover death on the course, in training and associated activities (travelling to races?).
Sorry for the essay, I’ve tried to address others comments; these are my thoughts only (not all of them, I have more!), I hope it doesn’t bore you to tears!
And Drone, you are right, you DO understand(have been taken in by!) me – I wouldnt dare comment on most topics on here as you lot know far more about it than I do!Do you think we’ll ever make any sense of all this? I still can’t get my head round it and I don’t think I ever will.
More like Stranger Things botchy.
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Big u-turn this, but I feel stronger about it every day: Why I’m uneasy about Elliott reaction and my contribution to it pic.twitter.com/ugypp8J1uC
— Paul Kealy (@PaulKealy) March 10, 2021
Well, the heat is on the BHA and its new chief exec now:
Clearly the IHRB have imposed upon Elliott and Foster absolutely nothing that will prevent him training his horses as before and running them in the name of Sneezy.
Thus, all “Foster” runners should be refused entry to British races for 6 months.
I suspect the BHA will bottle out however.
12 months for Rob James with 8 of them suspended.
Full decision to be released tomorrow.
What pathetic ill thought out sentences from the IHRB.
The guilty trainer can carry on living at and playing a significant role in the day to day running of his yard whilst being represented at the races by Ms.Foster, while the guilty jockey loses all source of income.
This was a heinous act committed on two separate incidents by two stupid individuals but the IHRB have literally smacked the wrist of Gordon Elliott whilst ruining the livelihood of Rob James.
Both have lost their reputations and all future credibility but the latter will struggle much more than the former as unlike Elliott and his replacement trainer he has nobody to ride horses for him and earn a salary during his ban.Nevertheless, what a couple of thoughtless idiots they both are for doing what they did.
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Nevertheless, what a couple of thoughtless idiots they both are for doing what they did.
That’s the bottom line, Jac and I hope people let them know this.
This was a heinous act committed on two separate incidents by two stupid individuals but the IHRB have literally smacked the wrist of Gordon Elliott whilst ruining the livelihood of Rob James.
Elliott is just spending a nice six month holiday at home and is still involved in the daily business. Mr. James on the other hand, most likely will struggle through the next months. He just doesn’t have the financial backgorund a wealthy Gordon Elliott has.
Yes Ruby you can’t excuse either for what they did but they could have just issued the jockey with say a 6 week riding ban. The taking of his license and subsequent livelihood was far to brutal.
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...A scandalous decision by the IHRB to give the same sentence to both Elliott and James.
Many posters have already highlighted that james doesn’t have the luxury of continuing to operate whole hiding behind someone else’s name on a racecard.
The other thing is that the IHRB have held an amateur (James) to the same standard as a professional (Elliott). This isn’t right.
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