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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    Even if Fastorslow wins the Irish Gold Cup we all know GDC will remain fav for this

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    #1679532
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    Fastorslow could win the Cheltenham Gold Cup too and Galopin Des Champs would still be favourite for it.

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    #1679601
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    Hasnt a prayer with another 1/4 mile

    Should add to this, nothing lost in defeat there for FOS, hes earned his place and hes certainly worthy of atleast 2nd in this, ill be playing him in the without market on the day, by far the best of the rest

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    I never lost faith. 2-1 not looking too bad a price :o)

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    ham
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    2/1 this far outs always a bad price.

    #1679610
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    Won cosily in the end

    Was just getting going

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    Staying loyal to Fastorslow in the Gold cup

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    #1679689
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    GDC won today with a bit in hand, but did get the run of the race. Yet again bollocks about “doing it the hard way”. That said, GDC is now imo the probable Cheltenham Gold Cup winner – ie better than all the rest combined – so should be a fraction of odds-on… At least until BOG is widely available.

    FOS is surely still the obvious second best staying chaser? Today ran about as well as form entitled him to. The 2 – 1 previous score between the two only due to the Mullins horse not running to form. However, there’s still a possibility FOS can improve. Come the day if able to get an each way bet on and still make a profit if placed… will (unless anything changes) imo be a good bet.

    L’Homme Presse might be a good third best chance, but his fragility is an obvious worry.

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    #1679694
    TheTinMan87
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    I think if you’ve got a ticket on anything other than Galopin or like me you’ve not had a bet yet and are thinking is there any point? You’d be well entitled to cling on to that “not running to form” excuse for Galopin’s defeats because clearly he’s very good on his best days to a level the others can’t reach which were the Gold Cup last season and the Savills Chase this season but he’s probably run a stone below that on his lesser days and I think today is somewhere between the two granted he was just doing what he needed to, he’s got a mistake or two in him too which ended his race in the Turners. There’s enough there for me to take on any horse at odds on, provided the price on a suitable rival appeals of course. I’m not one of these to straight up lay horses because I take no joy in seeing a horse fail, would much prefer to revel in the glory of a winning selection but if I was that way inclined I’d probably lay him at odds on.

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    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    At his odds he should be unbeatable , a ” Kauto Star ” or ” Best Mate ” , we,ve seen he is beatable , the two hopes you have with him are the sticky jumping and if something with gears has a go at him , it’s an intriguing race

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    HDLG, Kauto was beatable too right?

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    Unbeatable would be a 100% chance of winning I don’t see Galopin going off at 1/100

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    #1679774
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    I suppose the thing with Kauto is he was racing in Gold Cup’s against Denman, Imperial Commander, Long Run etc… so he was never really unbeatable, all horses pushing 180 at their peak, whereas Galopin doesn’t have that calibre of opponent on known form. The hope you have if you’re against him is he runs a bad one (or falls/unseats) and you’re looking at something being able to run to 170 ish which quite a few of these are capable of doing and some of them have potential to be better than they’ve shown so far the likes of Gentlemansgame, L’Homme Presse, Fastorslow is probably still improving, I’d expect a fair bit more from Gerri too if he gets his ground over the trip, even Shishkin is quite unexposed as a stayer and capable of big performances on his day. There’s enough there to keep the race interesting as a betting medium, hopefully they all get there.

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    “At his odds he should be unbeatable”.

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    He’s not long odds-on, HDLG.
    Judging by oddschecker, Evens is still available with a couple of bookies and he’s 2.22 betfair exchange.

    A horse only needs to be thought by the bookies to have a 49 or 48% chance of winning to be odds-on. Admittedly before BOG that includes the risk of injury.
    ie 48% + a 3% mark up = 51%… Anything over 50% = odds-on is offered.

    Far from “unbeatable”. Apart from some bookmakers who may well have larger liabilities; the Gold Cup market right now is pretty much suggesting GDC has around the same chance of losing as winning.

    GDC is rated 181 by Timeform. Over the years, any horse that runs to 181 in the Gold Cup is extremely likely to win. (When was the last time two horses ran to 181+ in the Gold Cup?) So if GDC was consistent he would in all probability be a lot shorter now. ie Current odds already take into account his inconsistency.

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    #1679791
    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    Jack he wasn’t beatable in his first GC , the point I’ve made he has flaws

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    I’m not sure Galopin would be much shorter if he didn’t have some element of inconsistency mainly because its the Gold Cup and they are happy to have a go at the favourite, there’s only been 3 odds on Gold Cup favourites since 2000 which were Kauto Star in 2010 & 2008, Best Mate 2004 on his 3rd win. Kauto got beat in both of his for what its worth.

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    Irish Gold Cup was a real dash for what its worth, Galopin going almost as quick at the closing stages as Il Etait Temps in the Irish Arkle which was also steadily run. If you think about it logically somebody needs to turn this race into a stamina test if they want to try and get Galopin beat because the likes of Hewick, Gentlemansgame, Corach Rambler, Gerri Colombe etc if they are to get involved in this they won’t be beating Galopin for speed. Even Shishkin is lazy through his race and strongest at the finish despite being a Grade 1 2 miler. I just can’t see who will make the running if someone like Ahoy Senor isn’t here and even he’s liable to make mistakes and not being on the lead for long enough to make it a test.

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