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You could be right there potato; he was screwing over some of them and on reflection jumping more awkwardly than one would expect a horse that’s simply taken off its feet by the others- especially as the early pace was not quick.
If he’s at Cheltenham it’ll be in the 4 mile race , prob after another go at the welsh
The 4 miler is a novice race and he isnt a novice so this is not possible. When he was a novice he went for the rsa.
He wont run in the Welsh National with a handicap rating of 162 absolutely no chance of going there imo.
If he goes to Cheltenham it will be the gold cup. He is a gold cup horse and has always been a gold cup horse.
He either goes to the gold cup or he doesn’t go to cheltenham at all. There is no inbetween.
The first thing I would be doing with this horse is forgetting about the future for now and getting him xrayed and fully checked out medically.
If he is sound and able to continue with his career then I would imagine he would be aimed at a grade 1 chase for starters in a light campaign and try to replicate what Native River did and win the gold cup on his 2nd try in it.
Tizzard ballsed him up. Had five very hard races in a row before Aintree. The horse is young and saves nothing for himself. A prep next season, then the Welsh again, then the National. No more. His yard has a huge Gold Cup chance anyway with Lostintranslation (a daft price at 16s just now). Be 5/2 on the day if Tizz doesn’t bottom him
I’m assuming you are being sarcastic when you say that Lostintranslation will be 5/2 on the day for the 2020 gold cup.
He is a good horse trained by a top trainer but he has ran a better race at aintree than cheltenham in both the 2018 and 2019 festivals and the signs suggest that aintree is the track that suits him the most.
Apart from that he is a novice and a long road lies ahead, he needs to make it to the gold cup and progress as a 2nd season chaser. Could just be a forward novice as presenting percy was and may not even progress to gold cup level next season.
I wouldn’t go anywhere near the 16/1 that is available now on him for the 2020 gold cup, that’s an awful price and even if he made it to the top table and lined up on the day he could well be bigger odds.
16/1 isnt a good price at all imo.16/1 that he shows up would tempt me but to win the race.
The team say no thank you.
Also the team would love to know that if Tizzard ‘ballsed him up’ with 5 very hard races in a row before aintree then why were you touting him as a good thing for the grand national up to the point that he was not declared for the grand national?
Tizzard is one of the best trainers of staying chasers in the sport. He didn’t ball’s anything him up and he didnt have 5 very hard races before aintree.
His target was never aintree, he had 4 races before cheltenham 2 were hard races and 2 weren’t.
The opener 5 runner race at Sandown he wasn’t fit but still won with a shake of the reins. That wasnt a ‘very hard race’.
The cotswold chase wasnt a very hard race either.The welsh national was obviously a togu race as it was the welsh national and the hennesey at Newbury.
Most horses will have a few hard races before cheltenham it’s part of the process of being deemed worthy to participate.
Tizzard didnt balls anything up. It was extremely unfortunate how bad his stable was in form in March.
The last 2 welsh national winners who carried more than 11 stone to win won the gold cup THE FOLLOWING SEASON.
The legend remains on course for glory in 2020
Potato – I have to say I agree with Joe about the number of hard races Elegant Escape had during the year. I have to disagree with your view of the Cotswold Chase which, to my eyes, was a tough race. Look at the effort EE put in at the end trying to claw back Frodon’s lead. I think that race took a lot out of him. I think Tizzard has previous in this regard: just look at Thistecrack’s 2016/17 season from which he never truly recovered.
I hope they give EE a good break now and give him a light campaign next season before focusing on a tilt at the Grand National.
I dont thinj the cotswold was a hard race, frodon had an easy time of it up front dictating a stop start pace.
EE was never going to be suited by that kind of race, he showed his fight by staying on at end and closing but even so the race was just a warm up for both horses and winning was never overly important to either.
Had EE tried to take on Frodon then it could have turned into a hard race but that wouldn’t have suited either horse for cheltenham.As for Thistlecracks 2016/2017 season I have looked at it and have noted that it was an outstanding piece of training by the Tizzards to win the king george with a novice chaser. A performance that was so good he became favourite for the gold cup as a novice. Unfortunately he got a tendon injury and his season ended in february.
You say he never really recovered but when he returned from injury he was in his 10yo- 11yo season and most horses start detoritaing at this stage of career especially if you have come back from an injury.
Yet he was 2nd in the king george which was an outstanding run and he made it to the gold cup as a 11yo (all of tizzards were running awful here).He actually had an excellent season for a horse his age with his injury history and retired with his head held high.
They will go gold cup route. Grand national has never seriously been on the agenda with EE imo.
In the 2016 2017 season where he got the tendon injury his first 3 novice chase races were small field sand he went off 1/6, 1/7 and 1/8 he won these races without coming off the bridle and has probably had tougher training exercises.
The only other races were the king george and a grade 2 chase in February as a warm up for cheltenham.
People may say that he shouldn’t have gone to that Cheltenham race in February but if he had of missed it he would be lining up in the gold cup with the experience of just one race outside novice company and he would have been slaughtered for not giving the horse enough jumping experience before lining up in the biggest test of them all.
He did the right thing it’s unfortunate that he got an injury but that’s sport it can and does happen. Nobodys to blame here.
With Native River and Al Boum Photo having had extremely light campaigns before winning the gold cup then a new trend will most likely emerge as other trainers will copy the lightly raced campaign and it will produce more and more lightly raced gold cup winners however before native rivers win in 2018 most gold cup winners would have had tough seasons with tough races.
I don’t know why Elegant Escape ran so badly at Aintree, as much as i think he’s probably an above average very slow horse, it wasn’t his true form. What i do know is, Native River and Thistlecrack are ageing and one could argue Tizzard has room for a new 3mile star. Potato you have campaigned for a long time that it is Elegant Escape, he’s running out of excuses. The new star is Lostintranslation.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!I have never seen a horse who would be WORST suited to the grand national than Elegant Escape. It would stand no chnsce whatsoever in that race.
I have no idea why anybody thinks the Tizzards would send it anywhere near that race except in the twilight of his career perhaps.
Cue card has been kicked out of the Tizzard stables today, that means the number 1 stable is vacant.
Rumours are abound that it is the legend Elegant Escape who is Moving in.
Elegant Escape will need to improve his jumping if he’s to run well in a Grand National. But – unless heavy going puts a far greater emphasis on stamina – doesn’t have the speed for a Gold Cup. Scottish GN or Bet365 would be other alternatives for EE. Hope Native River might take his chance in the Aintree showpiece in 2020 (might even get away without being topweight). Not that I’ll be backing him ante-post – fed up with losing money on Tizzard GN hopefuls.
Value Is EverythingThe elbow and the legend simply would not mix.
Imagine the big beast elegant escape having to slow down into the elbow then hop over, then come to almost a complete stop as he has to quickly change direction and start running again.
A small horse like Tiger Roll is taking at least 15 lengths a time from the beast so twice at the elbow would mean 30 lengths plus given to a nipper smaller horse.
A big beast is never going to show his best in the national these days.
It’s all irrelevant anyway as the legend will not go to the grand national next season.
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