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He wouldn’t run in both the queen mum and the gold cup, that’s ridiculous. This isn’t the age of flying bolt.
He wouldn’t run in both the queen mum and the gold cup, that’s ridiculous. This isn’t the age of flying bolt.
Ha Ha! It would be great to see it tried though.
sir des champs just love him
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Sir Des Champs had the perfect preparation and still couldn’t beat Bobs Worth. Fail to see how he reverses the form.
sir des champs just love him
vf
Sir Des Champs had the perfect preparation and still couldn’t beat Bobs Worth. Fail to see how he reverses the form.
Sir Des Champs prep may have been good but things conspired against him on the day for me. His regular pilot was injured and the man who took over rode him far more aggressively than he was ever ridden before, pressing for the lead with a circuit to go over a trip which was the furthest he’d ever tried. Himself and Long Run cut each others throats on my opinion setting the race up for Bobs Worth.
The ground went against him too. The soft going definitely placed more emphasis on stamina (which makes the ride he got all the more strange), and his stamina completely ran out on the run in. He was only a couple f lengths off Bobs Worth with half a furlong to run and then Bobs put another 5 lengths between them on the run to the line.
This is the way I see it: with 3 furlongs to go, Sir Des Champs was cantering all over Long Run and Bobs Worth was flat to the boards. If he had been ridden more patiently I think there’d have been very little between them and on good ground I think he’d have won well.
Great post Tommy, I agree with every word.
Great judge that Tommy is Nath,what would happen when
First Lieutenant
runs in next years race on good ground,there’s not a lot between the 2 Gigginstown horses.One thing is for sure my fellow wont be running in No Ryanairs again!!
I’ve backed both Gord, they will be 100 yards from the line with a whisker separating them I’m counting my winnings then out from the clouds that bloody Boston Bob comes and does them both……
Blackbeard to conquer the World
sir des champs just love him
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Sir Des Champs had the perfect preparation and still couldn’t beat Bobs Worth. Fail to see how he reverses the form.
Sir Des Champs prep may have been good but things conspired against him on the day for me. His regular pilot was injured and the man who took over rode him far more aggressively than he was ever ridden before, pressing for the lead with a circuit to go over a trip which was the furthest he’d ever tried. Himself and Long Run cut each others throats on my opinion setting the race up for Bobs Worth.
The ground went against him too. The soft going definitely placed more emphasis on stamina (which makes the ride he got all the more strange), and his stamina completely ran out on the run in. He was only a couple f lengths off Bobs Worth with half a furlong to run and then Bobs put another 5 lengths between them on the run to the line.
This is the way I see it: with 3 furlongs to go, Sir Des Champs was cantering all over Long Run and Bobs Worth was flat to the boards. If he had been ridden more patiently I think there’d have been very little between them and on good ground I think he’d have won well.
He was beaten by a better horse, a better horse who has also put First Lieutenant in his place every time they’ve met.
And Bobs was nowhere near flat to the boards, either. Just cajoled along, and almost brought down by Silviniaco Conti. Geraghty doesn’t panic, just nudges along on Bobs and a 6 length gap at the turn is 2 lengths when they come to 2 out.
Bobs Worth is 8 years-old. He’s had 12 starts. He was 2nd on his debut in a bumper, since when he has been beaten just twice, at Kempton and Ascot – 2 races in a row during season 11/12, when NJH has always been adamant the horse was not right.
He’s unbeaten in 5 races at Cheltenham. He’s the first since Flyingbolt to win 3 different races at the Festival. He jumps, stays and has a dose of speed (he short headed Cue Card over 20f at Newbury). These facts alone prove him an exceptional horse.
He is with arguably the best Festival trainer of modern times.
The only potential downside from an ante-post viewpoint is that he does not appear to be the easiest horse to train. He ran just twice last season. In that 2011/12 season, after his RSA win, Henderson said:
"I wasn´t happy with him at any stage. It has been a torrid time with him. I thought we would never get him here. I´d be tempted to be leaving it alone now as it has been a struggle. He could come back as a really good horse next year."
I thought he looked a bit ring rusty in this year’s Gold Cup, and I’m pretty sure NJH will try and give him a slightly busier prep this time. I saw none of the 6/1 after his GC victory but took what I could of the 5/1 (some of the best ante-post value you will ever get is in the few minutes after the end of a Festival race when Bookie’s reps are under huge pressure to get their prices in front of the TV boys – I remember Betfred going 9s Denman for the GC after his RSA win).
I’ve continued backing him at 3s despite those slight reservations about training issues (I believe it was mostly the ground that kept him in his box last season). If he lines up, he should be no more than 6/4.
Bobs Worth is 8 years-old. He’s had 12 starts. He was 2nd on his debut in a bumper, since when he has been beaten just twice, at Kempton and Ascot – 2 races in a row during season 11/12, when NJH has always been adamant the horse was not right.
He’s unbeaten in 5 races at Cheltenham. He’s the first since Flyingbolt to win 3 different races at the Festival. He jumps, stays and has a dose of speed (he short headed Cue Card over 20f at Newbury). These facts alone prove him an exceptional horse.
He is with arguably the best Festival trainer of modern times.
The only potential downside from an ante-post viewpoint is that he does not appear to be the easiest horse to train. He ran just twice last season. In that 2011/12 season, after his RSA win, Henderson said:
"I wasn´t happy with him at any stage. It has been a torrid time with him. I thought we would never get him here. I´d be tempted to be leaving it alone now as it has been a struggle. He could come back as a really good horse next year."
I thought he looked a bit ring rusty in this year’s Gold Cup, and I’m pretty sure NJH will try and give him a slightly busier prep this time. I saw none of the 6/1 after his GC victory but took what I could of the 5/1 (some of the best ante-post value you will ever get is in the few minutes after the end of a Festival race when Bookie’s reps are under huge pressure to get their prices in front of the TV boys – I remember Betfred going 9s Denman for the GC after his RSA win).
I’ve continued backing him at 3s despite those slight reservations about training issues (I believe it was mostly the ground that kept him in his box last season). If he lines up, he should be no more than 6/4.
Excellent stuff.
Although several horses have won the Gold Cup without a run that calendar year, i think Bobs Worth was the first since Bregawn to win the Hennessy and the Gold Cup in the same season. RSA Chase, Hennessy and Gold Cup is an awesome achievement in twelve months.
Haydock might be an option but i wouldn’t be sending him to Newbury off top weight.
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Bobs Worth is 8 years-old. He’s had 12 starts. He was 2nd on his debut in a bumper, since when he has been beaten just twice, at Kempton and Ascot – 2 races in a row during season 11/12, when NJH has always been adamant the horse was not right.
He’s unbeaten in 5 races at Cheltenham. He’s the first since Flyingbolt to win 3 different races at the Festival. He jumps, stays and has a dose of speed (he short headed Cue Card over 20f at Newbury). These facts alone prove him an exceptional horse.
He is with arguably the best Festival trainer of modern times.
The only potential downside from an ante-post viewpoint is that he does not appear to be the easiest horse to train. He ran just twice last season. In that 2011/12 season, after his RSA win, Henderson said:
"I wasn´t happy with him at any stage. It has been a torrid time with him. I thought we would never get him here. I´d be tempted to be leaving it alone now as it has been a struggle. He could come back as a really good horse next year."
I thought he looked a bit ring rusty in this year’s Gold Cup, and I’m pretty sure NJH will try and give him a slightly busier prep this time. I saw none of the 6/1 after his GC victory but took what I could of the 5/1 (some of the best ante-post value you will ever get is in the few minutes after the end of a Festival race when Bookie’s reps are under huge pressure to get their prices in front of the TV boys – I remember Betfred going 9s Denman for the GC after his RSA win).
I’ve continued backing him at 3s despite those slight reservations about training issues (I believe it was mostly the ground that kept him in his box last season). If he lines up, he should be no more than 6/4.
Couldn’t agree more, the fact that he was blundered in the last Gold Cup when quite far behind SDC and LR and still came battling back to finish strongly was very impressive.
The 3/1 is generous and reflects the fact that he isn’t the most straightforward sort – having said that if you look at his record he’s difficult to put down, proved his pure class in the 2013 renewal and at 3/1 I like him a lot to do the same again – wouldn’t be surprised if he won by even more this time though as long as it all goes to plan!
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The more I think about it the more I like Bob’s Worth, unless something like First Lieutenant or Boston Bob progresses past him I can’t see any of last years Gold Cup horses getting the better of him.
Firstly great info and debate, I havent posted on here for a long long time keep up the good work.
I wouldnt be too quick to rule out Sir Des Champs and I think that the ground wasnt in his favour last year. Hills are offering 8/1 which im tempted by. It didnt sound like Mullins was happy with the horse for the certainly the earlier part of the season, and im not sure the horse enjoys slogging through the mud, if the ground was g/s or better i actually think he will be a huge player in this. I wouldnt be surprised to see him sent over for the king the george this year in search of better ground as I think this is going to be important from now on for him to take top honours.
Agree with all comments about Bobs Worth, and SDC has a few lengths to make up, but I wonder how much closer they pair would have been if it had been better ground and Davy Russell would have been on board (russell is 7/9 on him)The other horse im really interested in is Invictus, being out for over a year is not ideal and hopefully he gets back to his best. As mentioned Bobs Worth doesnt appear to enjoy going right handed but Invictus beat him fair and square and also Silviniaco Conti (who may not enjoy going that way round also) on his last start at Ascot and It will be interesting to see how he gets on in the Hennessy. Off a Chase rating he could literally be thrown in for that.
Bobs Worth had two races last season. He didn’t have a hard season. He has won at three successive Fesivals on each occasion winning decisively. His biggest attribute is finding plenty off the bridle. No doubt he will have a light campaign again. It would be folly to oppose him although at current odds there is no need to back him ante-post.
Bobs Worth is 8 years-old. He’s had 12 starts. He was 2nd on his debut in a bumper, since when he has been beaten just twice, at Kempton and Ascot – 2 races in a row during season 11/12, when NJH has always been adamant the horse was not right.
He’s unbeaten in 5 races at Cheltenham. He’s the first since Flyingbolt to win 3 different races at the Festival. He jumps, stays and has a dose of speed (he short headed Cue Card over 20f at Newbury). These facts alone prove him an exceptional horse.
He is with arguably the best Festival trainer of modern times.
The only potential downside from an ante-post viewpoint is that he does not appear to be the easiest horse to train. He ran just twice last season. In that 2011/12 season, after his RSA win, Henderson said:
"I wasn´t happy with him at any stage. It has been a torrid time with him. I thought we would never get him here. I´d be tempted to be leaving it alone now as it has been a struggle. He could come back as a really good horse next year."
I thought he looked a bit ring rusty in this year’s Gold Cup, and I’m pretty sure NJH will try and give him a slightly busier prep this time. I saw none of the 6/1 after his GC victory but took what I could of the 5/1 (some of the best ante-post value you will ever get is in the few minutes after the end of a Festival race when Bookie’s reps are under huge pressure to get their prices in front of the TV boys – I remember Betfred going 9s Denman for the GC after his RSA win).
I’ve continued backing him at 3s despite those slight reservations about training issues (I believe it was mostly the ground that kept him in his box last season). If he lines up, he should be no more than 6/4.
Excellent stuff.
Although several horses have won the Gold Cup without a run that calendar year, i think Bobs Worth was the first since Bregawn to win the Hennessy and the Gold Cup in the same season. RSA Chase, Hennessy and Gold Cup is an awesome achievement in twelve months.
Haydock might be an option but i wouldn’t be sending him to Newbury off top weight.
Didn’t that lesser known horse called Denman win the RSA, Hennessy and Gold Cup within 12 months too???? Denman also won the Lexus and the Aon chases between the Hennessy and Gold Cup too. They won the Hennessy off similar ratings too (Denman 161 to BW 160).
Interesting to see how Bobs runs at Haydock hope he runs well.
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