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Hope to see Brown Panther in our Derby in 17 days. That was a fine performance today which might give him a good chance in that race.
But be cautious: this year’s German 3yo are better than those from last year, which had been beaten easily by Buzzword.
After Schlenderhan Stud won the last (weak?) Derby-Trial on Sunday at Bremen even with a maiden, there is the possibility that they could deliver 6 starters for the race and have good chances to gain 3 – 4 prize-moneys in the race.
So some freaks are looking elsewhere for horses in form from abroad already in the race – like Brown Panther – or those that could be supplemented in near future as Buzzword was in the year ago.
I must admit Brown Panther has been a favourite for me since February because he fulfills many criteria of a future German Derby-winner and till now has lived up to this prospect.
Someone over here said that Nathanial would be a most interesting supplementary entry after his Ascot-success. Grand Vent is another possible candidate for me. Let’s see.
Unfortunately no supplementary entry today.
So max. 18 runners on Sunday. Brown Panther shall be a definite runner.
It shall be a sunny, hot week with some heavy thunderstorms on Tuesday / Wednesday night.
So going could be good to firm on Sunday.
I would like to bet on ‘Arrigo’ and ‘Mawingo’ but need more info on trainer/jockey……any help please……Thanks in Advance.
Take this
http://www.turf-times.de/sites/default/ … abe170.pdf
go to page 2, click the names and you’ll reach a data-base, where you can find even videos of their races run in one tab supplied there.
J. Hirschberger is private trainer for Schlenderhan / Ullmann in a quarter owned by Ullmann. He has huge success there and a high percentage winners/starters – see his 5 starters in Sunday’s Derby, everyone with a chance for at least a place.
Adrie de Vries (from the Netherlands) is retained as 1st jockey. He had a difficult task to chose his mount out of these 5 horses and said yesterday in the newspaper: "I think, there are only 2 lengths between them".
Arrigo won the most important local Derby-trial – Union-Rennen – with speed from behind like a horse of class should do. In the race before, he lost at Munich by a short head to Mawingo. There he made all the running and was caught on the line by fast improving Mawingo. Mawingo has had an unlucky run in his race before Munich at Frankfurt where he was as favorite placed as 3rd.
It was a bit surprising to the fans, that de Vries has chosen Mawingo (by sprinter Tertullian) instead of Arrigo, who is half-brother to Derby-winner Adlerflug and sired by Derby-winner Shirocco).
Adrie has not a good record in the Derby: he rejected the winners Adlerflug and Wiener Walzer when he had free choice to get the mount and till today reached just 3rd place twice with outsiders in the German Derby.
Apologies for the delay as I’ve been writing an article about Czech steeplechasing, but I’ve finally sorted out my German Derby preview. I was characteristially incorrect last year, and do have quite an appalling record in picking the winner of the race – let’s hope Michael Owen isn’t reading this!!! The preview is also on my website, but I though I’d just paste it here as well to save time:
1 Arrigo (GER)
Trainer: Jens Hirschberger
Jockey: Kieren Fallon
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The first of five runners from the all conquering Schlenderhan stud, Arrigo went into several notebooks when winning the Oppenheim Union Rennen at Cologne, one of the top German Derby trials. However, he ran wide on both bends at Cologne that day and was very green in the home straight, and it will be interesting to see how he handles the tight course at Hamburg. Prior to that victory, he was pipped at the post by another stablemate, Mawingo in the Bavarian Classic at Munich. Kieren Fallon is one of the best jockeys in the race, but flopped last year on the well fancied Monterosso, and Arrigo still looks to be learning his trade – this may have come a bit too soon for him.2 Ametrin (IRE)
Trainer: Jens Hirschberger
Jockey: Filip Minarik
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Showed a marked improvement in form when running Arrigo close in the Oppenheim. That day, he was able to dictate the pace, however with so many runners today, he may well be taken on for the lead and could be vulnerable.3 Lindenthaler (GER)
Trainer: Peter Schiergen
Jockey: William Buick
11-15
The ante post favourite for the race a couple of months ago following his impressive victory in the Group 3 Dr. Busch Memorial at Krefeld in April, before finishing last of 5 when upped in distance at Longchamp. May not stay this trip, and it should be noted that all other four horses in the Longchamp race were beaten next time out. Trainer Peter Schiergen won the race in 2008 with Kamsin, but stable jockey Andrasch Starke has opted to ride Saltas.4 Mawingo (GER)
Trainer: Jens Hirschberger
Jockey: Adrie de Vries
32-131
Came with a late run to grab Arrigo on the line in the Bavarian Classic. Prior to that, he had both Earl of Tinsdal and Saltas ahead of him in the Group 3 Metzler Rennen at Frankfurt. However, that race was run at a slow tempo which didn’t seem to suit Mawingo, and stable jockey Adrie de Vries has picked him over four other stablemates. However, de Vries has got it wrong is the past (turned down the winner in 2007 and 2009), and maybe he could have picked the wrong one again.5 Ibicenco (GER)
Trainer: Jens Hirschberger
Jockey: Tom Queally
6-132
Adrie de Vries’ loss could well be Tom Queallys gain. The English based Irishman, who has ridden many times for the Schlenderhan stable in the past, partnered Ibicenco to third place in a Listed event at Longchamp over todays distance before the horse was edged out in a photo in a Group 3 at Chantilly when partnered by de Vries. One of the few horses in the race who is guaranteed to stay, Ibicenco is a tough battler and although not proven on soft going (rain is forecast for Sunday), he could turn out to be the best of the Schlenderhan team.6 Gereon (GER)
Trainer: Christian Zschache
Jockey: John Murtagh
111-23
The story of Christian Zschache is one to bring a tear to the eye. A former jockey who has been in a wheelchair since a riding accident in 1999, Zschache has never made it big as a trainer based at the Hoppegarten course near Berlin, with a small string of half a dozen horses. That all changed last season when Gereon literally burst onto the scene, establishing himself as on of the top two year olds in Germany last season. Second in this seasons German 2000 Guineas followed by an unlucky third in the Oppenheim Union Rennen proved that he retained his class from last year, and with veteran Swiss jockey Georg Bosckai replaced by top Irish rider Johnny Murtagh, Gereon could have a chance. The manner of his staying on third in the Oppenheim Union Rennen (1m 3f) suggests the extra furlong here will not be a problem, and there will not be a more popular winner of the race, especially as Zschache still has yet to register a win this season as a trainer.7 Saltas (GER)
Trainer: Peter Schiergen
Jockey: Andrasch Starke
2-124
Had three of today opponents ahead of him in the Oppenheim Union Rennen at Cologne when seemingly holding every chance a couple of furlongs out. That run suggests he might not get hom over todays extended trip, however he is the choice of stable jockey Andrasch Starke, and did have Mawingo behind him when second to Earl of Tinsdal at Frankfurt.8 Brown Panther (GB)
Trainer: Tom Dascombe
Jockey: Richard Kingscote
1-4111
Started his career by winning a low grade maiden race on the all weather course at Southwell in November, but has gone from strength to strength this season, with wins in handicap at Chester, Haydock and most impressively last time out at Ascot, all over todays distance. Handles any ground, and is so highly regarded by connections that he was nearly supplemented for the Irish Derby as well. The lack of Group form may raise question marks, but he looked something special at Ascot, and with the German form appearing quite muddling, Brown Panther is taken to be the second successive English trained winner of the German Derby following Buzzwords success last year.9 Theo Danon (GER)
Trainer: Peter Schiergen
Jockey: Andreas Suborics
215-415
Austrian born Andreas Suborics,one of the top riders around, has always been of the opinion that Theo Danon is a real Derby horse, however on recent form, it’s difficult to understand his opinion. Soundly beaten in two attempts at group level, however did beat Ametrin in a Listed race at Hannover. Described by his jockey as ‘a big baby with bags of promise’, the formbook says he doesn’t have much chance, however it would be foolish to dismiss the claims of former champion jockey Suborics.10 Silvaner (GER)
Trainer: Peter Schiergen
Jockey: Terry Hellier
11-43
Winner of the Group 3 Preis des Winterfavoriten at Cologne, one of Germanys top two years old races last season, Silvaner was last seen when finishing third in the Bavarian Classic at Munich. Seemingly weakening some way from home, he stayed on again over the 2000 metre (1 ¼ mile) distance to finish third, and being by Lomitas out of a Monsun mare is bred to stay the extra distance of todays race. Reunited with Terry Hellier who rode him to victory at Cologne, Silvaner could go well at a big price.11 Earl Of Tinsdal (GER)
Trainer: Andreas Woehler
Jockey: Eduardo Pedroza
11-14
Lost his unbeaten record when running about all over the place in the Bavarian Classic at Munich, however with regular rider Eddie Pedroza not taking the ride that day, maybe that run can be forgiven. Had previously beaten both Saltas and Mawingo in the Metzler Rennen, and with his ability to handle any ground, Earl of Tinsdal could be an each way chance now reunited with four times champion jockey Pedroza.12 Waldpark (GER)
Trainer: Andreas Woehler
Jockey: Jozef Bojko
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The only unbeaten horse in the race, Waldpark stepped up on his maiden and handicap victories by landing the Derby trial at Baden-Baden last month. A wide margin winner in his first two races, Waldpark had 2 ½ lengths to spare at Baden-Baden despite running off a true line. Relatively unexposed, and still looks to be improving. A lively outsider, and not without a chance.13 Sommernachtstraum (GER)
Trainer: Waldemar Hickst
Jockey: Stephane Pasquier
-222
Still yet to register a win, but only found Waldpark too ood for him last time. Top French jockey Stephane Pasquier has missed a big days racing at Chantilly for this, but the horse has it to do on the form book.14 Ordensritter (GER)
Trainer: Horst Steinmetz
Jockey: Davy Bonilla
The oldest trainer in Germany, 78 year old Horst Steinmetz sent out Nicaron to win this race in 2005 for the same owners as Ordensritter, and Frenchman Davy Bonilla again takes the ride as he did in 2005. However, has finished 7th in his only two races at Group class and doesn’t look up to winning this.15 Tahini (GER)
Trainer: Jens Hirschberger
Jockey: Michael Cadeddu
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The fifth and final Schlenderhan runner, Tahini started his career in impressive fashion at Cologne over todays distance in April, but has been beaten in two Derby trials since.16 Appleby (GER)
Trainer: Sascha Smrczek
Jockey: Daniele Porcu
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Consistent performer at a lower level but has it all to do on the form book having been well beaten by both Tahini and Mawingo.17 Mi Senor (GER)
Trainer: Andreas Woehler
Jockey: Steffi Hofer
25-2314
Bidding to become the first lady rider to win the German Derby, Steffi Hofer takes the ride of the third of trainer Andreas Woehlers horses, with race sponsor Albert Darboven being the owner. Looked impressive when an 8 length victor of a conditions race in Munich but had his limitations exposed when only fourth in the Bremen Derby trial, and can be passed over here.18 Hoseo (GER)
Trainer: Erika Maeder
Jockey: Henk Grewe
8-94639
The rank outsider whose only foray into Pattern class saw hin finish tailed off last of nine in a Listed race at Bremen last time out. Erika Maeder trained Ransom O’War to finish second in this race back in 2003, however Hoseo is nowhere near that class and has no chance here.VERDICT:
At first glance, this appears to be a trappy renewal of the German Derby, as a lot of the main protagonists have beaten each other. However, looking at overseas form, two candidates stand out. Ibicenco was only beaten a short head in a French Group 3 last time out, however BROWN PANTHER looked a class act when winning the King George V Handicap at Royal Ascot by an impressive 6 lengths. Earl of Tinsdal and Waldpark from the Andreas Woehler yard have each way chances, whilst Peter Schiergen can never be written off in the German Derby, and his Silvaner could go well at a big price.
PREDICTION:
1ST – 8 BROWN PANTHER
2ND – 5 IBICENCO
3RD – 11 EARL OF TINSDAL
4TH – 12 WALDPARK
5TH – 10 SILVANER
6TH – 6 GEREONJust a curiosity question: any relationship between Jens Hirschberger and Andreas Schutz?
Just a curiosity question: any relationship between Jens Hirschberger and Andreas Schutz?
There isn’t, and any reports of a Right Said Fred tribute act have been greatly exaggerated.
Just been on the phone to someone in Hamburg, and apparently it’s been lashing it down for hours. He’s just walked the course, and apparently it’s quite soft now. I was there in 2008 when Andrew Balding ran Top Lock. Half an hour before the race, it was good to firm, but following the mother of all downpours, the race went off on officialy soft ground! Hamburg does not drain well, so you’d be looking at a horse proven on soft now. Interestingly, German bookamkers Racebets, who were 7/2 Brown Panther yesterday, now go 5/2 on the English raider. I am a bit worried about Ibicenco on the ground – I backed him at 12-1, but his only run of soft saw him a well beaten 6th. Earl of Tinsdal and Silvaner are interesting for me – they’ve both won big races on soft, and you usually find a big priced outsider making the frame.
Heavy rain over night, still raining and going yielding in this moment 4 hours before the race.
There was a "flag start" for the second race due to technical problems – let’s hope, they can solve that in due course.
There has never been a winner that has not won a race before within 140 years of German Derby (that’s a malus for Ametrin, Sommernachtstraum, Appleby and greatest outsider Hoseo).
Maiden Appleby might like it softish and his chances for a place are increasing with any further drop.
Saltas had successfully run on the worst ground of all competitors. His near-related Saldentigerin was 4th in her Derby run on heavy ground when the winner was SHIROCCO!
Haven’t ever seen a German Derby won by a horse leading from the start especially on that softish ground – probably heavy at the inside rails where BP did all his running in the 9th race of the card.
So it was quite clear before the first bend: BP must be a wonderhorse to win that race!
That strength lost by the wrong tactics in leading for the first 9 1/2 furlongs through the mud cost him 3rd place by 2 heads at the post finally. That’s racing.
Sorry, hope BP’s young rider will do better in future.
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