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i think it answered a couple of things, GW still has talent and GW still does whatever GW feels like doing!
But quite probably…on the book…thats his worst run yet?
Asking the question rather than stating the facts
Im not so sure that physical rather than mental fitness was the key here. it was like Rakti
Maybe he likes Fallon on top more than Kinane, the 2 days Fallon was beat on him he had very valid excuses for defeat. The debut run was over 5 and he needed the 1st run in him and the Irish Gunieas the ground was far too soft for him.
Quote: from benbdb on 4:44 pm on June 19, 2007[br]imo this was all part of the big picture to get him used to the racecourse again
I seem to be disagreeing with you today benbdb but I find it highly unlikely that APOB used a Gr1 race at Royal Ascot as a schooling exercise. There were plenty of other Gr2 & Gr3 races in Ireland that he could have turned the horse out in before now if he thought he needed a racecourse before a big race.
Quote: from aidanldrebin on 4:43 pm on June 19, 2007[br]Bit peed off as I marked Ramonti as one of my horses for Ascot but was put off by Godolphin’s in and out form.
Never underestimate Godolphin at Royal Ascot. They love this meeting.
But quite probably…on the book…thats his worst run yet?
He’ll probably get what, 118 or something? Same ballpark as his last three defeats (BC Classic, Celebration Mile and Irish Guineas).
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Obviously he ran too fresh, but it almost looked as if he’d forgotten how to race until MK gave him a reminder. Would expect much better next time.
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If you believe that gp1’s aren’t used as a training tool, maybe you could explain Ramonti’s run in the Lockinge, and the enormous turnaround today when ridden properly?
seem to be disagreeing with you today benbdb but I find it highly unlikely that APOB used a Gr1 race at Royal Ascot as a schooling exercise. There were plenty of other Gr2 & Gr3 races
Totally agree. And i was also suprised they didnt give him a run in a lesser race. Surely a re-aquaintance with the whole racecourse experience would have been a positive?
with all due respect to the winner this was a shocking excuse for a group 1 over a mile imo. and yet GW nearly won it which is why i say it was a stepping stone to something bigger. coolmore may have been hoping he would win but in reality this takes nothing from his value as a stallion should his fertility improve and may well have put him back in the racing mood, i felt he was starting to at the end. imo no amount of home work could have got him mentally right.
just my opinion, i kno where my money will be next time.
Hello,
This is like last year, Why don’t we just re-Title this thread as:
"Excuses for George Washington here please!!"
everytime he gets beat, third time or fourth?, people seem to try desparately to find someone or something to blame for his defeat….for God’s sake, he was beaten fair and square again. <br>He has proved he can be a good horse, but the adjective Great should never be attached to him…
I am sorry I may have upset the legions of George’s fans on this Forum, and it is not intentional, but look at the facts…he does lose regularly!!:)
regards,
doyley
I can’t believe anyone thought that was a prep race.
They expected him to win today.
Steve
benbdb<br>
with all due respect to the winner this was a shocking excuse for a group 1 over a mile imo. and yet GW nearly won it which is why i say it was a stepping stone to something bigger
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What a load of nonesense. Yes this sport is all about opinions but at least they should have some substance about them. Could you please enlighten me on what you consider bigger than a grp.1 at the Royal Ascot meeting. If the quality of the opposition was so poor why didn’t he hose in. Could you also please explain why there was a ton of money on this one if it was a prep race. Barry Dennis was foaming at the mouth with delight when recounting all the losing bets he took on the gorgeous one.
you may remember at goodwood last year he was expected to hose up on his return. he didnt because he stood in te stalls after every1 else set off then pulled hard and then closed at the end. now that was a group 2 not a group 1 ok but one of the horses that beat him reopposed and librettist was supposedly superior to cadarak. what beat George that day was not the other horses it was himself. he didnt need it physically he needed it mentally.
same goes with 2day it was is first race of the campaign and imo he needed it mentally. i didnt mean physical prep i meant it was the next part of his reintroduction to racing, hes only been training 3 months, some of that in isolation so there was no time for a lower grade prep race. yes ideally he shouldve won it but he wasnt that far away and i think he might well do next time. so no it wasnt without substance it was just different to your opinion.
I agree he was expected to win today but I also agree that this wasn’t a great group one. The winning performances are poss<br>ibly sub 120 rated, George at his best would’ve surely won easily.
Today he just didn’t perform to his best he is at least half a stone better than the winning mark today.
Reasons why? Well thats open to opinion.
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(Edited by Flash at 8:12 pm on June 19, 2007)
Reet Hard "If you believe that gp1’s aren’t used as a training tool, maybe you could explain Ramonti’s run in the Lockinge, and the enormous turnaround today when ridden properly? "
Watch the Lockinge tape again and notice how hard Ramonti pulls for fully 4 furlongs. To be touched off after that was a good effort. The difference today is that this natural front-runner was allowed to lead without pressure. I reckon this was not some devious Godolphin plot to get a better price for Ascot but a genuine tactical mistake, possibly because they expected himself and Speciosa to cut each other’s throats.<br>The same can be said for George today. If they can get him to settle the next day he’ll run much better, and with the freshness off him that’s quite likely.
reethard
I have been thinking about that since the Lockinge and the only reason I can think of was that Godolphin were afraid that Ramonti and Speciosa would cut each others throats up front so they decided a change of tactics might suit the horse better. Didn’t work so back to front-running today (which also nearly didn’t work either) and the horse won.
Incidentally, if Turtle Bowl hadn’t appeared alongside to challenge, I don’t think Ramonti would have won. It’s good to see a horse win a Gr1 by a short-head while showing battling qualities like that – means he could be underbet next time out as well.
I still don’t believe Godolphin used the Lockinge as a "warm-up" for today though.
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