- This topic has 861 replies, 151 voices, and was last updated 15 years, 6 months ago by
.
- Posts
The ‘right’ price is obviously whatever the market will stand Aidan.
For me though GW is clearly completely unproven as a sire and is a massive gamble for anyone buying in at that price. Granted he showed touches of what appeared to be brilliance but, overall, his form is not outstanding (uncompetitive year in his division arguably), he had temperament problems and there are plenty options for breeders looking for similar blood.
I’m not saying that the market won’t support the price, and if it does then the price is, from a commercial viewpoint, entirely justified. Just that, in the very unlikely event I was ever looking for somewhere to send a mare I’d rather send it three times to High Chaparral than once to him, if you get my drift.
For me though GW is obviosuly completely unrpoven as a sire and is a massive gamble for anyone buying in at that price.
Thats a different issue altogether though…..the general price of first season sires can often be inflated.
I’d rather send it three times to High Chaparral than once to him, if you get my drift.
Two very different markets though likely to produce very different results. In todays breeding world early sorts are wanted, George Washington is the type to get that sort of horse that could progress on to be a classic/Group 1 horse. The earliest type a decent High Chaparral will get will be a Racingpost Trophy winner.
there are plenty options for breeders looking for similar blood.
It’s not a coincidence that one of the main ones – Rock of Gibraltar – is off to Japan next year.
I’d also rather send her (my virtual mare) to Danehill Dancer once rather than GW twice.
Thats fair enough Cormack and plenty will be, but you’ll be spending over 100,000 to do so.
Quote: from stevedvg on 9:00 am on Nov. 7, 2006[br]How come Choisir is so cheap?
I think it’s cos he’s a sprinter. I believe that even champion sprinters rank below St Leger winners in stud terms!
Worth bearing in mind too that the advertised fees will sometimes have very little in common with the prices mare owners will actually pay.
Coolmore are very good at arranging foal share, special mare discounts, ‘first dibs’ deals and the like, which means that not many breeders will have to pay full whack.
It is good for them to advertise stallion sons of their sires at a high price, as an incentive for owners to buy other colts by their sires.  You too could own the next Galileo or Danehill Dancer and make a packet out of stallion fees!  It is in their interests to make their stallions into aspirations.
I think Choisir is ‘cheap’ for several reasons – his sire is not yet a proven sire of sires and his (weak) breeding, race record and physique are more appealing to Southern Hemisphere breeders (he stood at twice the price last year in Australia), so European breeders need more of an financial incentive to use him.
Yes, Choisir’s pedigree isn’t as strong as it might be and this may explain his relatively reasonable fee.
He reminds me a little of his maternal grandsire, Lunchtime, top 2-y-o of whenever it was, who was a pretty imposing-looking horse who did well as a sire in Oz.
Personally I think Georges stud fee is a little too high.
Objectively – on what he has shown on the track – he is at most a 1lb or 2 better than Shamardal and I expect his Tf in the Annual report to be 130-131. His sire Danehill could hardly be better but then Giants Causeway is no slouch for Shamardal.
On the dam side from a breeding perspective Shamardal’s family is much the stronger and this is often thought to be a major factor in the success of a stallion.
Shamardal stands at $40000 and all else being equal – the compatibility of the stallion with your mare being perhaps the most important criteria – I would be visiting Shamardal to breed a racehorse.<br> A big however is the market place and it is entirely possible that the George/ Coolmore hype will mean George washington’s foals will attract more interest and money than Shamardals and this commercial factor will be perhaps uppermost in most breeders mind.
george washington is reported to be infertile so he may be back this season on the track
I wonder if they regret running him in the Breeders Cup classic now.
Out of interest, how much trianing has the horse missed? Is it easy to train a horse back to peak fitness when it has been retired?
Coolmore will be absolutely gutted…but its typical George Washington…stubborn to the last!! I dont see where it says he is back in training.
Surely the logical step is to put him back in training, although Coolmore won’t have any interest in him now that he can’t make them the millions they had hoped. Also can’t believe they have retired Holy Roman Emperor as a result, this sort of thing gets me really angry, a fascinating rivalry ruined just so the people at Coolmore can pocket more cash, it just goes to show that these people have no interest in us racing fans and only give a damn about the almighty buck. I’m gutted. Lets see what GW ends up doing now
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.