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  • #292017
    Fryern
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    Well I’ve just looked at the video.

    There is a man with a chequered flaq waving it before the hurdle. What does that mean? Obvious Gaspara’s jockey assumed don’t jump that hurdle. He would not know what was the other side of it. The commentator says the man flag waving was 50 yards before the hurdle.

    Race should have been declared void imo.

    Here’s the link:-

    http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/?va=NEW_2010_04_23_02_1755

    #292020
    Avatar photoExpect To Win
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    Danny is obviously a thinking jocky.

    Flags waving about everywhere and the first flagman shouting to go round the hurdle.

    What was he expected to do?

    Very harsh in my view, the horse easily won on merit.

    #292021
    Fryern
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    Yep, the horse did win on merit and no doubt the handicapper will take note as though she had won!

    The stewards have a lot to answer for.

    Anyone know what the chequered flaq means in hurdling?

    #292022
    Avatar photoThe Ante-Post King
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    3 years and 22 runs later

    Gaspara

    finally wins again and deservedly so,or so it should have been except for what can only be described as a severe mental lapse from Danny Cook,by the time he attempted to get the last wrong too he was in panic mode.To call the Jockey a complete and utter dick would be too polite! :shock:

    #292025
    moehat
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    I think Racing for Change or whatever it’s called should be more concerned about the number of horses that have broken down in this race. If I was a first time racegoer I doubt if I would ever want to go racing again after seeing such carnage.

    #292028
    rich_ie
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    Gaspara should have kept that race. It was too confined an area with the screen up to have them jump the hurdle.

    Have you watched the race??? By going around Cook came closer to the horse that was injured. There was plenty of room to jump the hurdle. If he had bothered to look why they were waving the flags he would’ve realised this. Indeed if they were going to avoid the hurdle, they would’ve sent them the other side and not where Cook went. This is his 3rd wrong course. Once can be forgiven but if a 28 day ban for the second at Cheltenham hasn’t taught him a lesson then nothing will.

    #292031
    Fryern
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    Rich,

    I don’t accept that he didn’t know what was the other side of the hurdle and he was going at 30 mph.

    Key is what does the flag officially mean. There was only the one chequered flag being waved by an official in a yellow ‘plastic’ overall. We know RED means the race is STOPPED.

    #292035
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    I would have to agree with Rich.

    I feel there was enough time to realise what was going on, at the end of the day its all too easy for armchair riders like me to point blame, but honestly feel this was inexcuseable.

    I just honestly hope that this is not forgotten about, its quiet obvious the bans in place at present do not work.

    Whats the old saying, three strikes and your out…. Thats two for him…

    I do feel sorry for him but at the end of the day its his job, If i did something like that TWICE in one year in my job, dare I say it I would be sacked….

    #292036
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    I do not think it was Danny Cook’s fault, if it was any other jockey nobody would be coming down on him so severely. It has seriously angered me seeing what people have wrote on this topic. Leave the poor lad alone!

    I think the officials at the course are in the wrong to be honest. From what I remember when watching the race, it was only another horse which stopped the winner from going out past the hurdle also.

    WHY, must also be asked are people waving chequered flags, not one, but many, when it is quite obvious to anybody within a quater of a mile that screens are up.

    This is an absoloute joke and the only reason that the race was taken away was because there were no arrows in the hurdles.

    I hope Danny picks his head up quick enough and was happy to see he rode a winner later on :mrgreen:

    #292037
    Fryern
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    There was only ONE chequered flag. It was not being waved it was being held out at 45 degrees by an official and blowing in the wind. It was being held in such a way that it could not be missed. It was being held on the side opposite to where the screens were ie on the stands side.

    The stewards are at fault the race should have been declared void.

    Still like to know what the flag means then we will be at the hub of the problem

    #292042
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    Where was the hazard? Was there one on the course? If not, why the cryptic, hazard flags? The net result of their operation was precisely to create a hazard to a jockey acting in perfectly good faith.

    Had Cook not seen either man with a chequered flag, what are the odds against him falling foul of a (mythical?) hazard? I suggest thousands to one would hardly be overstating it.

    #292043
    Fryern
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    Grimes

    I don’t know what you are saying.

    Why was there a man with a chequered flag? Confusing the **** out of me!!!

    #292046
    Avatar photoGazs Way De Solzen
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    Having just watched the replay, i have no idea what has gone through Danny cook’s head there.

    What was he going to achieve by going round the hurdle, when infact the horse that had the screens up, was nearer as a result of him doing so.

    Bizarre.

    #292047
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    This is the only bit I know of, cannot find anything about the flag situation..

    49. Jump races: directing riders around an obstacle (by-pass procedures)
    49.1 Where

    49.1.1 direction markers have been inserted in an Obstacle to indicate that it is unsafe to jump, or
    49.1.2 direction markers have been inserted in such an Obstacle and at the entrance to an extended lead-in to the Obstacle, and cones have also been deployed at the lead-in,

    a Rider must proceed around the Obstacle as indicated by the direction markers and continue in the race, following the correctly marked course.
    49.2 If a Rider is unable to follow the direction markers, he must pull up.
    49.3 The Stewards may decide not to take Disciplinary Action against a Rider for a contravention of Paragraphs 49.1 or 49.2 if the Rider satisfies them that he had reasonable cause.
    49.4 The horse of a Rider who is found to have contravened Paragraphs 49.1 or 49.2 shall, on an objection to the Stewards under Part 7, be disqualified unless the Stewards consider that extraordinary circumstances justified the Rider in acting as he did, in that

    49.4.1 all Riders remaining in the race took the same course, and
    49.4.2 no Rider obtained an unfair advantage as a result.

    #292058
    Ardrossthegreat
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    :D
    Can’t believe they’ve not paid me out.

    very flippant :roll:

    Bizarre turn of events though……….at first i thought it was the horse not the jockey……..I didnt see a flag but if there was one then Cook shouldnt really be castigated.

    #292065
    dermoc
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    I have to admit I didn’t know until about 20 minutes after the race that Danny Cook was in the wrong.

    Did you? Attheraces didn’t either – but I thought they did an excellent job showing the flag man as quickly as they did.

    The Betfair Forum had no idea what was going on once ATR showed that. At the time a lot of sympathy came on the forum for him – very rare for Betfair forumites to do that.

    This was an unprecedented situation.

    For a split second Cook thought he was doing the right thing – putting safety first. Yes, he was wrong – but at that split second, he thought he was doing the right thing.

    In my opinion – the calls for a 6 month ban are ridiculous.

    Give a young jockey a break.

    #292066
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    Doesn’t matter how old he is, the fact is that people are betting money on horses he’s riding to win. Our Vic was a lively gamble in the Boylesports and Gaspara went off as a clear-cut favourite here. Cannot let liabilities in the saddle.

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